Windows 8 - 8.1 nicrosoft what were you thinking!

[TwsT]

Sigh this again.

I've said it too many times now.

Sooner or Later you'll have to get over it and join the revolution. It's really not that bad I've enjoyed it but these cry baby threads with the same whiners in it over and over are almost as tedious as the ati nvidia threads. The only valid argument is that it's not worth upgrading not that it's not good or you don't like it. It's definitely not neccessary to upgrade from 7 to 8 at the moment when drivers stop supporting 7 like they have on xp now. that's when it's worth upgrading by which time i expect it will be 8.2 or 8.3 maybe longer depends on the manufacturers.

+1 to everything Elevon said

as for consumers speaking with their wallets I think the amount of pirated versions of win 8 download speaks volume about it's success too. The only problem Is that in a recession this is not a financially necessary upgrade that's maybe the only problem with it. It's not far enough along the line that people can justify 7 - 8 upgrades.

 

[Nick1881]

I hated windows 8, hover over a corner then something pops up after a delay, I can't stand delays.

I don't want to type anything to launch a program, I click start and find it in the frequently used list. Or with Chrome I have it pinned down next to the start button. Also I don't want big stupid tiles, I have as few icons on my desktop as possible, I know a lot of others like this clean look too.

I had hoped MS would put the start menu back for 8.1 but if they aren't then I wont bother.

Lots of people complained about XP, Vista and 7, people seem afraid of change. I embraced all of these and found them fantastic, W8 is just a turd and you can't polish a turd.

 

[Elevon]

I hated windows 8, hover over a corner then something pops up after a delay, I can't stand delays.

I don't want to type anything to launch a program, I click start and find it in the frequently used list. Or with Chrome I have it pinned down next to the start button. Also I don't want big stupid tiles, I have as few icons on my desktop as possible, I know a lot of others like this clean look too.

I had hoped MS would put the start menu back for 8.1 but if they aren't then I wont bother.

Lots of people complained about XP, Vista and 7, people seem afraid of change. I embraced all of these and found them fantastic, W8 is just a turd and you can't polish a turd.

Easy to have a clean look on Win8,

I can use Metro for all my programs etc and still have a clean look on my old desktop UI.

I do hope they don't bring back the old Start button menu ,its not needed.


It takes me one or two clicks max with my mouse to find what I want(even shutdown) that's hard right?

 

[Glaucus]

It makes supporting Windows 8 an absolute ball ache, every things moved for no reason. Makes a task which took like 2 minutes on 7, take 20 minutes whilst you Google and found out where the sodding option went.

I downright refuse to support Windows 8.

That says far more about you.
Seeing as control panel hasn't changed, and search is pretty much identical. It shouldn't take you any longer to suppppoort. Unless well I think you get the picture.

 

[Klo]

Why is not liking something not a good argument? It's a perfect argument to me.

Sigh this again.

I've said it too many times now.

Sooner or Later you'll have to get over it and join the revolution. It's really not that bad I've enjoyed it but these cry baby threads with the same whiners in it over and over are almost as tedious as the ati nvidia threads. The only valid argument is that it's not worth upgrading not that it's not good or you don't like it. It's definitely not neccessary to upgrade from 7 to 8 at the moment when drivers stop supporting 7 like they have on xp now. that's when it's worth upgrading by which time i expect it will be 8.2 or 8.3 maybe longer depends on the manufacturers.

+1 to everything Elevon said

as for consumers speaking with their wallets I think the amount of pirated versions of win 8 download speaks volume about it's success too. The only problem Is that in a recession this is not a financially necessary upgrade that's maybe the only problem with it. It's not far enough along the line that people can justify 7 - 8 upgrades.

 

[stealthgeek]

Why is not liking something not a good argument? It's a perfect argument to me.

Because I think the OP was originally slating MS for a 'failure' - you can hardly label it a failure based on personal preference.

Just about anything that is different between 7 and 8 should only need to be shown once, then it becomes familiar, no? How many times do you need to be shown how to shut the machine down or how to get to the control panel?

Reasons why I love 8:

- Client Hyper-V
- upgraded file copy dialog box
- option of Modern apps if I want them
- more real estate for my shortcuts, rather than being constrained by the start menu
- More info in task manager
- Waaaaaaay faster startup
- option to refresh the build if it ever becomes slow
- better handling of multiple screens that dont have identical native resolutions
- can use it as a touch interface on my ipad via splashtop
- settings in the cloud, tied to Live ID
- Waaaaay faster search
- can mount ISO's directly
- file history, can revert to an older version of my files if needed (although the OS has tight integration with SkyDrive, I just keep everything important there, and that has rollback capability)


Actually, no...... scrap all that. They got rid of the start button....

 

[KIA]

Why would they copy osx, it's a darn poor seller.

Latest version of the OS had 32% adoption just five months after release.

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/04...ps-lion-as-most-popular-mac-operating-system/

 

[Glaucus]

Latest version of the OS had 32% adoption just five months after release.

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/04...ps-lion-as-most-popular-mac-operating-system/

Which means what on a a tiny marketshare.
Win8 massively outsells and it.

That's not something too show off about, as well as a much smaller commercial marketshare, where commercial will take several years minimum too upgrade to a new Os, it has to be reviewed and tested and only if it makes financial sense will it be upgraded.

Osx has always had a higher adoption rate due to that and upgrade cost.

 

[ubersonic]

I hated 8 when I first used it too, then once I got used to it and realized it was better than or the same as 7 in every way I didn't mind it any more, this laptop runs 7 as its just a work/lanparty machine and I can't justify buying 8 for it but I def feel the difference

 

[TwsT]

Why is not liking something not a good argument? It's a perfect argument to me.

OK wrong point it's a valid argument for not adopting it in your own eyes but it's not a valid argument for telling others not to.

It's all preference agreed and I agree it's a pointless upgrade whilst 7 is supported the changes are not enough and they are hard to get used to. But it by no means makes 8 a bad operating system.

These threads turn into massive case of people moaning about it. When the fact is a lot of people do like the new stuff and didn't find it hard to get on with it. Very few customers ask us to switch OS's on our laptops to windows 7 for them. Very few customers send a PC back asking for windows 8 to be removed and 7 to be installed which if it was as terrible as some people seem to make it out I would expect to happen more.

Some people make out that it is as bad as having an arm chopped off or something. When really the Start menu was one of windows's major floors that most people didn't use properly anyway. Rocket Dock Launcher is evidence enough that the start menu wasn't as functional as it could be and Rain meter too.

It's a drastic change but it's here to stay and will continue to exist I don't think Linux and it's elitist community are in a strong enough position to take the market share from MS and MAC OS is even more awkward for stubborn users to get used to so I don't think Apple will profit heavily off Microsoft's adventures.

I just imagine 7 will continue to be used until it's not supported then reluctantly or happily people will learn to set up the metro UI properly or install start 8.


All I really know is that for my needs I have found very few reasons why I should re-install windows 7 Since I installed 8 back on release. (which was soley so I could support it for our customers.)

 

[ubersonic]

Why is not liking something not a good argument? It's a perfect argument to me.

Godwin powers activate!

To some people burning jews/gays/cripples because they disliked them seemed like a perfect argument

I just imagine 7 will continue to be used until it's not supported then reluctantly or happily people will learn to set up the metro UI properly or install start 8.

Sort of like when the 3.11 clingers were finally forced to get used to 95 and ended up liking it, or when the 2K/9x users finally moved to XP (yes internet, the beloved XP was actually ill received at the time *gasp*).

 

[deuse]

Godwin powers activate!

To some people burning jews/gays/cripples because they disliked them seemed like a perfect argument




Sort of like when the 3.11 clingers were finally forced to get used to 95 and ended up liking it, or when the 2K/9x users finally moved to XP (yes internet, the beloved XP was actually ill received at the time *gasp*).

XP was a version of Win 2000 and in my opinion is still up there. But the best so far is Ubuntu 13.04 studio it's just awesome.

 

[Lucifurr]

XP was a version of Win 2000 and in my opinion is still up there. But the best so far is Ubuntu 13.04 studio it's just awesome.

That is like saying that Windows 7 and Windows 8 are versions of Vista. Windows 2000 was NT version 5.0 while XP was version 5.1. Vista is version 6.0, 7 is version 6.1 and 8 is 6.2.

I have probably misunderstood you and if I have can you elaborate, please?

 

[gareth170]

Tiles are also a really inefficient way to use the available screen space, I have no problem double clicking an icon, so what benefit does a great big tile have besides making it better easier to tap on in a touch screen environment?

what people need to remember a os isn't designed/made just for yourself. there's over 7 billion people in this world..

your 1 in 7 billion people

if you want windows 8 to look and feel like windows 7 then why bother upgrading anyway, just stick with windows 7

I remember when some people kept with xp due to getting better fps in gaming over vista etc

even if MS changes the win8 UI again or back to the old style, there will be people that will like it and there will be people that will not like it. it will always be like that. no company that makes products/software can make over 7 billion people happy.

this happens with every new windows release there will be people that will not like it and there will be people that will like it

 

[Rroff]

even if MS changes the win8 UI again or back to the old style, there will be people that will like it and there will be people that will not like it. it will always be like that. no company that makes products/software can make over 7 billion people happy.

They don't need to change it back to the old style they just need to make (better) allowances in the design for people that prefer (and theres a lot of people for who its a very good reason rather than just not liking change) the old way of working when using it as a Desktop OS.

Theres quite a lot of features that are pretty decent with Windows 8 and I can see them being very useful for some people but personally I have absolutely no reason to use them but still feel like MS are trying to ram them down my throat. Its something I see a lot in threads on the subject some people seem to think these features will make everyones life better if they just adapt and get used to them and can't see that those features (which are very useful to that person) are completely irrelevant to some other people's way of using a desktop OS.

 

[llamadal]

The main problem people have with Windows 8 is that it was made for mobile devices ergo start screen, Tiles etc...
That BS shouldn't be on a desktop.

no.... just no.

Like it has been said already, many many times, the nerd rage needs to stop on this.

Win 8 was released as a kind of 1 fits all, bold, but it won't suit everyone and for the most part, people hate change.

This was recognised fairly early on and hence windows 8.1 is being released - which fair play to them, it's a good move as they have listed to the constructive feedback.

I use 7 and 8 daily and feel both are decent, 8 is just an enhanced version with a different shell - don't like it? then use one of the million apps to change it. if it was released exactly the same as win 7 but a little faster, it would be the same people bitching and moaning endlessly.

love 7 so much? bet you forgot about the endless problems that came when it was first released and many people swearing that XP was the best thing ever.

Best thing to take from it, it's out of the box new layout won't suit everyone, change it, use for a few weeks, don't like? fine go back to 7, or just don't try something new in the first place.

My partners technophobic mother has managed to use it with ease, so I honestly can't understand how enthusiasts struggle due to the lack of a start button

 

[TwsT]

My partners technophobic mother has managed to use it with ease, so I honestly can't understand how enthusiasts struggle due to the lack of a start button

MAde me lol and couldn't agree more. My 65 year old mother loves windows 8 and not 10 years ago she didn't know what windows xp or a laptop was.

 

[gareth170]

they just need to make (better) allowances in the design for people that prefer (and theres a lot of people for who its a very good reason rather than just not liking change) the old way of working when using it as a Desktop OS.

but it main thing about windows is if you don't like something about it you can customize it by ether built in options or 3rd party programs. it's not like MS has blocked you changing/customizing windows.

 

[deuse]

That is like saying that Windows 7 and Windows 8 are versions of Vista. Windows 2000 was NT version 5.0 while XP was version 5.1. Vista is version 6.0, 7 is version 6.1 and 8 is 6.2.

I have probably misunderstood you and if I have can you elaborate, please?

XP was based on win 2000\NT Kernel is that better

 

[KIA]

Which means what on a a tiny marketshare.

Why would they copy osx, it's a darn poor seller.

If it were a "darn poor seller", it would not have been at 30% adoption five months after release. The adoption percentage is no doubt even higher now, given the date of the article.