Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling

This is why this countries a mess, people will happily sit on there arse all day taking free money but as soon as they're made to work all hell breaks loose.

MW
 
FoxEye said:
That's far, far too sensible to ever see the light of day.
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But you can't create employment out of nowhere, it is the result of exchanging your labour for increased capacity or income for your labour.

Creating jobs purely to get people off the dole is just another form of workfare or benefit.
 
esoteric said:
I start my MWA tomorrow, I protested when my advisor said she was putting me on it, and she just told me the typical stuff, it's mandatory, doesn't matter what you want, loss of benefits etc.

The worst thing about it is I am not even going to a charity shop but a non-profit organization I don't even know the name of, all I know is where to go and who to see. MWA is a tricky situation to fight your way out of and I can't even begin to try if I don't even know who I am to be working for.

All I know is I am going to Portsmouth Football stadium to do maintenance work, a football club that raised money last year for a cancer charity and still hasn't paid the raised money. So right off the bat I have an ethical problem with the place I am to work.
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Don't forget to use the name and shame form when you find out who it is you are being forced to work for.. ;)

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/?page_id=1703
 
spankingtexan said:
The only reason all hell is breaking loose is because people are being forced to work for nothing.
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Easy solution then, we stop out of work benefits and therefore no one will be forced to work for nothing, and no one will get other people's money for nothing.

Alternatively we go for a universal guaranteed income policy and offset it against tax, but that will no doubt lead to complaints as well because too many people think the taxpayer has a responsibility to fund their choices.
 
Dolph said:
Easy solution then, we stop out of work benefits and therefore no one will be forced to work for nothing, and no one will get other people's money for nothing.

Alternatively we go for a universal guaranteed income policy and offset it against tax, but that will no doubt lead to complaints as well because too many people think the taxpayer has a responsibility to fund their choices.
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Most don't get other peoples money for nothing, most jobseekers have already paid in through past contributions, they are getting a little back in their time of need, stop being silly Dolph.
 
Dolph said:
But you can't create employment out of nowhere, it is the result of exchanging your labour for increased capacity or income for your labour.

Creating jobs purely to get people off the dole is just another form of workfare or benefit.
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This place I am going to is a brand new contract the outsourcing company has. So is this not jobs that have been created? but has been passed off to free labour from JSA claimants.

If the stadium needs maintenance work then you hire a couple of handymen, but the JSA is offering free labour so those otherwise paying jobs have been taken off market.
 
esoteric said:
This place I am going to is a brand new contract the outsourcing company has. So is this not jobs that have been created? but has been passed off to free labour from JSA claimants.

If the stadium needs maintenance work then you hire a couple of handymen, but the JSA is offering free labour so those otherwise paying jobs have been taken off market.
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I've only gathered from reading dolphs posts he is utterly deluded to be honest.

Take out of work benefits away...

Ok smart, lets plunge this country to the levels of the 3rd world, a benefits system is what keeps the baseline of society above water and prevents people slipping into more serious crime which they would have to commit to survive, crime rate would DEFINITELY without a doubt sky rocket. Or do you this country sink down to places like rio de janiro or mexico?

Because without benefits that is probably precisely eventually where things would end up. I agree there need to be solutions to fix this system however, but I really think the problem is there just are not enough jobs.
 
Dolph said:
Easy solution then, we stop out of work benefits and therefore no one will be forced to work for nothing, and no one will get other people's money for nothing.

Alternatively we go for a universal guaranteed income policy and offset it against tax, but that will no doubt lead to complaints as well because too many people think the taxpayer has a responsibility to fund their choices.
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here we go again, some of us have worked the majority of our adult life, so does that mean we dont get anything either ??
 
I can see I forgot the sarcasm tags again. just to be clear, I support the end of both negative and positive conditionality via universality, not ending benefits. it should be clear by now...
 
esoteric said:
I start my MWA tomorrow, I protested when my advisor said she was putting me on it, and she just told me the typical stuff, it's mandatory, doesn't matter what you want, loss of benefits etc.

The worst thing about it is I am not even going to a charity shop but a non-profit organization I don't even know the name of, all I know is where to go and who to see. MWA is a tricky situation to fight your way out of and I can't even begin to try if I don't even know who I am to be working for.

All I know is I am going to Portsmouth Football stadium to do maintenance work, a football club that raised money last year for a cancer charity and still hasn't paid the raised money. So right off the bat I have an ethical problem with the place I am to work.
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Sounds quite **** that
 
amigafan2003 said:
Maybe it's because they are recruiting grads at the expense of the incumbent workforce - a conversation with a senior manager went along the lines of "The Union has got it all wrong - we're not replacing workers with grads because they are cheaper but because they are younger". Oh, that's totally ok then!
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lol rly?

That is ridiculous. Unfortunately, as you will be well aware, proving these things is much much harder. Statements like that do help btw ;)
 
Finished my first day of MWA at Fratton Stadium, sweeping and picking weeds and I'm told that is what everyone does the first week. Every Wednesday new people arrive and today there was 4 of us, wonder how many people arrive next week.
 
esoteric said:
Finished my first day of MWA at Fratton Stadium, sweeping and picking weeds and I'm told that is what everyone does the first week. Every Wednesday new people arrive and today there was 4 of us, wonder how many people arrive next week.
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Great work experience,

I'm sure that will help you get a job!








LOL JOKE JUST KIDDING WE WANT SLAVE LABOR.
 
esoteric said:
Finished my first day of MWA at Fratton Stadium, sweeping and picking weeds and I'm told that is what everyone does the first week. Every Wednesday new people arrive and today there was 4 of us, wonder how many people arrive next week.
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Can you just do a completely half-arsed job and get away with it? I think that's what I'd do if forced to labour for no pay :p Consider it like POW forced labour, and resist as much as possible :p

Maybe a bit of sabotage too :D
 
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