Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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drunkenmaster said:
we need to be aiming for guys who have gone under the radar but who can be excellent. They are riskier, and frankly we need to buy more of them because some won't turn out good, with the state of the current squad both quality and injury issues, we can't even come close to putting all our eggs in one basket.
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Isn't that the strategy that Arsene has been following for the past 6 years? Buying potential that (usually) turns out to be overpriced, injury prone foreign rubbish? It's about time that Arsenal bought world class players and paid what they're worth. If it's true that they never actually submitted a bid for Higuain then that's a shoicking situation to be in. If they knew he was available AND he'd consider a move to Arsenal they should have moved heaven and earth to get him to the club. Giroud has potential but seems to have the usual Arsenal issue of not being clinical enough.

It is also very telling that RVP hasn't had a serious injury at Man Utd when he was much more injury prone, as are most of the squad it seems, at Arsenal.
 
MissChief said:
Isn't that the strategy that Arsene has been following for the past 6 years? Buying potential that (usually) turns out to be overpriced, injury prone foreign rubbish? It's about time that Arsenal bought world class players and paid what they're worth. If it's true that they never actually submitted a bid for Higuain then that's a shoicking situation to be in. If they knew he was available AND he'd consider a move to Arsenal they should have moved heaven and earth to get him to the club. Giroud has potential but seems to have the usual Arsenal issue of not being clinical enough.

It is also very telling that RVP hasn't had a serious injury at Man Utd when he was much more injury prone, as are most of the squad it seems, at Arsenal.
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Aye, seemingly so. The amount of "deadwood" which has left this transfer window alone is pretty telling of how shambolic his/their approach has been.

As for Higuain, it can only be the penny pinching coupled with the rookie mistake of showing everyone your bank balance in advance. But overall, I refuse to believe this is a situation where its either Wenger or the board not getting things right. It has to be both of them together.

Arsene must note his targets, let the board know he likes them and what he thinks they're worth, they must look into it together and make enquries and then find out that everyone is either £40m for them or £25m for anyone but Arsenal. If Wenger didn't have a say in any of this, then I think he and any other self respecting manager would resign due to lack of support from the club in the market.
 
cm1179 said:
if we do go in seriously for willian then maybe it's because bale is going?
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I think this must be the case unfortunately. Maybe the Bale deal has been agreed but they're waiting until later in the window so other teams don't expect more of the Bale money? Not really sure, but if we make another £30m signing I expect Bale to go, it's too unbalanced otherwise. I'll be delighted if he stays though! :D
 
MissChief said:
Isn't that the strategy that Arsene has been following for the past 6 years? Buying potential that (usually) turns out to be overpriced, injury prone foreign rubbish? It's about time that Arsenal bought world class players and paid what they're worth. If it's true that they never actually submitted a bid for Higuain then that's a shoicking situation to be in. If they knew he was available AND he'd consider a move to Arsenal they should have moved heaven and earth to get him to the club. Giroud has potential but seems to have the usual Arsenal issue of not being clinical enough.

It is also very telling that RVP hasn't had a serious injury at Man Utd when he was much more injury prone, as are most of the squad it seems, at Arsenal.
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Yes, which is again why I don't trust Wenger to do it, there are plenty of stunningly good deals out there, Arsenal will not improve dramatically with one buy, its simply no where near enough. If we want to win this qualifier and stay in the champs league and play in 4 separate competitions, one player isn't going to cut it. Another manager who hasn't lost his eye for a player can go out and buy a bunch of good players, Wenger used to be able to do it, Wenger CAN'T do it any more.

First choice would have been sack Wenger, hire a manager end of last season so he had all summer to watch tape, scout players, find deals and get them done early. Second choice is fire Wenger now, give the new guy some slack because he can't get good business done by the end of the window and Wenger would have left him a terrible squad(for competition in four competitions and for top four in the league). Third choice is Wenger finishes up his final season but doesn't spend the money as he'll just waste it.

Last choice is Wenger spends but doesn't waste all our money, and all the next managers rebuilding budget on a single high profile, massively overpriced, won't make much of a difference player.

Overpaying on Rooney or Suarez would just screw us so completely as it would stop us being able to strengthen the squad where its needed. Defence, DM and wingers we are weaker in than striker, considering Podolski, Walcott at a push and even Bendtner could play upfront. Basically I still just don't trust Wenger to do the right things so I've stopped really caring, I'm basically waiting for the day we get rid of Wenger and get in a manager who won't constantly make the same mistakes over and over.

AVB went in, tried to outmuscle the players at Chelsea, lost support, lost respect, did poorly, lost his job. So he went to Spurs and tried something different... yes Wenger, when something doesn't work you can try something different, not just repeat the same mistakes over and over and over.

The thing that worries me is the idea of him being pushed into the board room or into a director role. We need him, his influence, his incredibly dated ideas and terrible eye for a player removed from the club for good now.

Wenger is stubborn, can't adapt, his style worked brilliantly for several years, then everyone else changed and Wenger didn't and he was left behind.
 
Everton reject £28m joint bid from Manchester United for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.Offer for Fellaini was £16m.

Hahaha **** off Moyles you dour ****. Or would it be the new chief ex. in charge of negotiations...? :D
 
I am not sure about Willian; he didn't want to come to us initially and chose big cash in a poor league rather than going to a stronger league (not necessarily Spurs) and getting in the national team. If we are close to signing him now I can see him either being pap or trying to get out of Spurs as soon as interest is shown in him following a period of good displays.

I would prefer us to be in for Lamela even if he is £10m more than Willian. He is a ready made Bale replacement 15 goals, 5 assists in 33 appearances for Roma last season, as a wide forward.

Contrast that with William who doesn't assist much and was a 1 goal in 3 matches player for Shakhtar, who play in a much weaker league than Roma.
 
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Azza said:
Everton reject £28m joint bid from Manchester United for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.Offer for Fellaini was £16m.

Hahaha **** off Moyles you dour ****. Or would it be the new chief ex. in charge of negotiations...? :D
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Such a P*** taking and insulting bid by Moyes there. I suppose he doesnt care though, he needs signings and his name cant attract big players, Everton players were his back up plan and he'll offer as low as possible.

28mil is right for fellaini wouldnt accept anything lower than 35m for bainess.
 
It isn't far off what I'd value the pair at, so it's not anywhere near as insulting or dramatic as people are making out.

Fellaini's release clause expired for one reason - because no one wanted to pay that much for him.
 
Bucket said:
It isn't far off what I'd value the pair at, so it's not anywhere near as insulting or dramatic as people are making out.

Fellaini's release clause expired for one reason - because no one wanted to pay that much for him.
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I pretty much agree, though I can see why Everton wouldn't sell for that.
 
Bucket said:
It isn't far off what I'd value the pair at, so it's not anywhere near as insulting or dramatic as people are making out.

Fellaini's release clause expired for one reason - because no one wanted to pay that much for him.
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Considering that Everton were worried people would buy Fellaini for that £23m clause, it makes no sense that they would accept any bid substantially less than that.

£12m for Baines is a joke as well. Something a lot closer to £20m, if not more, would be more realistic. £25m for Fellaini is also something more realistic as well.
 
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