NHS stop-smoking service 'a success'

Bri62 said:
Nicotine is a natural substance .......its in tomato's they also give it to alzheimer's sufferers and is a stimulant no worse then coffee, its the thousands of other chemicals in burning tobacco that's harmful.
I give up using an e-cig a few years ago and still use one albeit with diminishing nic levels, Vaping is obviously not good for you but neither is walking down the street breathing car fumes! and is far better than smoking.
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nicotine was also used as a pesticide and is a poison to humans

cyanide is in a lot of seeds and nuts it doesn't mean it's good for you just your body is able to neutralise it in minute amounts

The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans, and 0.1 mg/kg for children. Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as cocaine, which in mice has an LD50 of 95.1 mg/kg.

A person can overdose on nicotine through a combination of nicotine patches, nicotine gum, nicotine inhaler cartridges and/or tobacco smoking at the same time. Ingestion of nicotine pharmaceuticals, tobacco products, or nicotine containing plants may also lead to poisoning. Smoking excessive amounts of tobacco has also lead to poisoning; a case was reported where two brothers smoked 17 and 18 pipes of tobacco in succession and were both fatally poisoned.Spilling an extremely high concentration of nicotine onto the skin can result in intoxication or even death since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream following skin contact.
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yup totally safe because it's in tomatoes etc!


"NO WORSE THAN COFFEE" that is just an insane statement you made!
"its the thousands of other chemicals in burning tobacco that's harmful." such ignorance

It's not like it even takes a high amount of nicotine to kill a person
 
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platypus said:
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

Not only have they helped 146,000 people to quit smoking in that 10 year period, consider how many people have also been further put off starting by the campaign.

E-cigs are not quitting?
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It's not just that either as it also effects disease rates from smoking related illness like various lung disorders and heart disease. I see smokers lung tissue all the time in my job and the mess that smoking causes is profound on both macroscopic and microscopic levels
 
MrMoonX said:
They have already banned vaping at the hospital I work at, plus uni have banned them and I saw a notice on the bus banning them, keep up the banning as far as I'm concerned!
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Why? I'm not nor have ever been a smoker or E-Sig user but E-Sigs release virtually no harmful substances from all the information I've read about them, and certainly far less than a motor vehicle so why would you call for it to be banned especially if it's helping people stay away from actual cigarettes?
 
MrMoonX said:
E-cigs etc just continue the addiction to nicotine, which can't be good for you it's still a chemical you are putting into your body which effects the brain, we don't yet know the dangers of vaping, but I'm guessing its still not great for you. They need to ban smoking entirely I'm public outside or not, I'm sick of walking about having to breath in the disgusting smoke outside shops etc. also vaping needs to be banned inside as well, it looks just as bad as smoking
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You will say this until the government raise your taxies to get the money back they lost through people giving up ;)
 
Theophany said:
I think you underestimate quite how dangerous nicotine is. Two cigarettes contain enough for a lethal dose, were all the nicotine absorbed.
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Not at all, as a vaper who spent 2-3 months researching this subject I actually know quite a lot.

The problem is there is no point marking the danger of something when you'll never have it delivered that way. By your logic, caffeine is no better. Someone who drinks 240 cups in a day would die but I'll assume you don't regard caffeine as a very dangerous substance..

So sure, nicotine in it's purest form can kill you with a small dose, but like caffeine this is true of hundreds of other chemicals we consume everyday. Let's not even get started on alcohol.

Having said that, I question your estimation of two fags having enough nicotine to kill you. Cigarette smoking is still the best way of delivering nicotine, very little is lost through the burning of tobacco so by your logic anyone who's had three in a row would be dead.
 
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Vapour is an approach that will undeniably beat pure willpower, people like their routines and if smoking is one of them, giving it up could make them realise how much time they wasted on the act.

So replacing it with a more or less harmless substitute fills the gap, the only issue is that the longer you have been smoking the worse it is going to be changing regardless.
 
Vaping can be just as anti social as smoking albeit not dangerous to the health of others. I no more want to have vapour (which often smells of all kinds of things, not all good) blown in my face or in a restaurant etc than I do cigarette smoke.

I agree with others that vaping is not quitting smoking per-se as it continues the addiction to nicotine, although it removes the health implications of cigarette smoke so it is a preferable method of facilitating that addiction than smoking tobacco is.
 
People who preach about smoking are worse than smokers in my view. It's easy enough to avoid smokers as they mostly confine themselves to specific areas. But it's nigh on impossible to avoid the smug anti-smoker lobby. Perhaps we need 'smug shelters' or 'preaching git' rooms?
 
StriderX said:
Vapour is an approach that will undeniably beat pure willpower, people like their routines and if smoking is one of them, giving it up could make them realise how much time they wasted on the act.

So replacing it with a more or less harmless substitute fills the gap, the only issue is that the longer you have been smoking the worse it is going to be changing regardless.
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I'm not sure that's true I smoked for around 10 years and then quit for about 5 years.
now I'm quitting again after about 6 months of smoking. (about 1 week without any nicotine so far)

the hardest part about the first time was I had been used to having a ciggy in my hand I guess how you can learn guitar tracks etc from muscle memory even if you aren't aware it's a repeating track also means your body learns some muscle memory from smoking and your body really misses having that ciggy in your hand.

the second time I don't have the need to hold a ciggy every time I die in an online game etc like I did the first time around but the weird headache like withdrawal feeling my brain has is just the same as I remember it being the first time I quit

Someone who drinks 240 cups in a day would die but I'll assume you don't regard caffeine as a very dangerous substance..
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er did you read my first post? 2 people died from smoking 18-19 tobacco pipes in a row it doesn't take a lot of nicotine to kill even cocaine is less toxic to humans , there are illegal substances you can't even overdose on yet nicotine can kill you in relatively minute amounts most people don't realise just how little nicotine can kill you.

if a toddler smashed an ecig cartridge and the nicotine leaked onto their skin it has the potential to be a fatal dose that is absorbed

nicotine has a very high toxicity
 
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Castiel said:
Vaping can be just as anti social as smoking albeit not dangerous to the health of others. I no more want to have vapour (which often smells of all kinds of things, not all good) blown in my face or in a restaurant etc than I do cigarette smoke.
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Unfortunately your personal preferences are irrelevant though. I don't like strong smelling fish dishes, piped music or people slurp when eating soup but that doesn't mean I have the right to demand society outcast it from restaurants just because they irritate my senses.

And apologies for jumping on your working if if you regard the passive breathing of vapour as 'no more' harmful than cigarette smoke you need to brush up your science skills.
 
Castiel said:
Vaping can be just as anti social as smoking albeit not dangerous to the health of others. I no more want to have vapour (which often smells of all kinds of things, not all good) blown in my face or in a restaurant etc than I do cigarette smoke.

I agree with others that vaping is not quitting smoking per-se as it continues the addiction to nicotine, although it removes the health implications of cigarette smoke so it is a preferable method of facilitating that addiction than smoking tobacco is.
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I feel the same way about people drinking alcohol in public places, they laugh and talk way to load. Ban it or tax it to hell.
 
arknor said:
er did you read my first post? 2 people died from smoking 18-19 tobacco pipes in a row it doesn't take a lot of nicotine to kill even cocaine is less toxic to humans , there are illegal substances you can't even overdose on yet nicotine can kill you in relatively minute amounts most people don't realise just how little nicotine can kill you.

if a toddler smashed an ecig cartridge and the nicotine leaked onto their skin it has the potential to be a fatal dose that is absorbed

nicotine has a very high toxicity
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To quote Penn & Teller...Bulls Hit.

I make my own e-juice, I work with highly concentrated nicotine so I know the dangers. Yes, in high doses it can kill you (as can a lot of other chemicals we consume everyday), but you are exaggerating

Either we ban anything and everything that COULD kill you at any given dose (in which case we'd have to ban almost everything) or we be sensible and judge something based on it's actual use.
 
estebanrey said:
Never claimed I was an expert. But I'd bet I've done more research on this than most people posting here who seem to be quoting science straight from the back of a anti-smoking propaganda leaflet.
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or straight from medical studies.

I'm not telling anyone to stop smoking just saying nicotine is not the inert substance people think it is
 
Perfumes. Quantities used by majority of users of those vile liquids when in enclosed spaces make me nauseous and give me headaches. Fact. I say ban, tax and organise NHS programme to teach those people how to fight their smelly water addiction. In fact ban, tax and NHS programme everything I don't like.

Seriously though, as with everything worth developing habit for and manly, after a brief period of pansy tiptoeing, smoking is sooner or later going to come back big time. Glass of brandy and cigar, comfy chairs, you know you want to. And why shoudn't we? And at that point it will be easier to ban Castiel from places where vape is being exhausted and come up with another set of mythical "passive" or "my clothes smell" reasons to ban vaping. ;)
 
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