Should water companies be banned form adding fluoride to our water?

Great so now we have another conspiracy nut to do the rounds. The cycle of the usual obvious "I've read some bull**** on the net" and it's cool to believe type nut bag.

What next, contrails are mind control!!
 
ennogs said:
Actually it was a documentary I watched. It was about 3 years ago. It was made by somebody with a PHD in chemistry and who works in the industry. I can't for the life me me think of the title of the documentary though.

I assume it is fluoride they are warning you about on the toothpaste because in the documentary I watched they claimed the warnings on toothpaste was because of using fluoride as an ingredient.
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Documentaries are not scientific and have not been peer reviewed. Your critical thinking skills really are poor at best which is a shame.
 
Maybe I'm a fool but I can't imagine going through life stressing over every little thing .

Ennogs is a massive tin foil hat nut, if that's his thing then so be it. He's very passionate about being different to the norm. But personally I couldn't be arsed to live like that. I prefer to just stroll through life mindlessly :-)
 
Hedge said:
Maybe I'm a fool but I can't imagine going through life stressing over every little thing .

Ennogs is a massive tin foil hat nut, if that's his thing then so be it. He's very passionate about being different to the norm. But personally I couldn't be arsed to live like that. I prefer to just stroll through life mindlessly :-)
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Maybe your drinking to much fluoride. ;)
 
"The water supply to this area is very soft. The supply is low in naturally occurring fluoride and is not artificially fluoridated. For further information see link on left "my drinking water quality"."
 
FoxEye said:
Whilst I appreciate the usefulness of the data, I would ban this kind of testing. It's inhumane. We as a species should not be deliberately poisoning living creatures in the name of science :/
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Even aside from the fact (esp. in pharmaceuticals that it is a legal requirement), are you going to take the animal's place then? Your family maybe? How are companies supposed to know something is dangerous unless they can test it? Oh, and before you answer that we can computer model it, that's tech just isn't available yet. We're working on it but it's incredibly difficult.
 
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OP'S POST 'MAY BE A CAUSE FOR CANCER'.

Today, scientists have revealed that high levels of questionable intelligence seen in the postings of ennogs may trigger brain cancer in humans. They think that excessive facepalming when reading OP's post may be a cause.
 
ennogs said:
Look at the warnings on American toothpaste. Notice they say keep away from children under 6 years old and if you swallow more than you normally put on your toothbrush (so not a lot) get some get medical help or consult a poisons control center immediately. it's ok to put in our drinking water though.
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That US toothpaste has 1000PPM, that's waaaaaay more than you can buy over the counter in the UK (IIRC the limit is around 350?), 1K PPM toothpaste is prescribed by dentists in certain circumstances.

And to set you mind at ease, the human body cannot store anywhere near the amount of tap water it would need to to get fluoride poisoning, you would literally have to drink a swimming pool of it and not pee (impossible ofc).
 
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ubersonic said:
If that's aimed at my point that you cannot drink enough fluorinated tap water to die, I like my chances of winning :P
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It's not so hard, die from to much water, it just happens to be fluoridated.
Oh noes my tap water contains natural fluoride I'm going to die, not.


Lack of reasoning by OP.

Everything is a poison, I don't think there's one single substance that taken in to much wasn't uppity can't kill.
 
checjb said:
Even aside from the fact (esp. in pharmaceuticals that it is a legal requirement), are you going to take the animal's place then? Your family maybe? How are companies supposed to know something is dangerous unless they can test it? Oh, and before you answer that we can computer model it, that's tech just isn't available yet. We're working on it but it's incredibly difficult.
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Well apart from the fact that rats are completely and totally different from human being, and so are monkeys, etc...

Is it really necessary to know how what concentration of X,Y,Z is fatal? We know what quantities of these elements are present in nature, and we know that these quantities are safe.

Why would you want to know how much Fluoride is fatal (to a rat!)? Why not just make sure that the proposed levels of the element in your product are non-lethal? Given the difficulty of actually administering fatal doses of these elements, isn't it self-evident that no human is going to die from Fluoride overdose?

Yet, in the name of science, you have to find some way to kill a rat with every substance known to man. For the sake of completeness, I guess. And then repeat said tests with something more akin to human physiology.

It's barbaric.
 
muon said:
So the OP is finally doing research beyond, omg a high dose will harm you. If you want take a look at what fluorine gas can do.
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he doesn't though - he picks a side, decides its a conspiracy and then cherry picks as many relevant/semi-relevant articles/facts as he can to copy and paste into the thread - any reasonable stances against adding fluoride to tap water then get lost in the mass of nonsense being spouted
 
Lethal dose for Water is 90g/kg meaning the average human (say 80kg) would get into serious difficulties after consuming 7.2l of water.

Lethal dose for fluoride is around 0.125g/kg. Given an average weight of 80kg and the absolute upper limit of fluoride levels in drinking water 1.2mg you would need to drink somewhere in the region of 8300 litres of water before you got into trouble.

You would die from excessive fluid consumption long before fluoride became a problem.

In other news I just ate a whole tube of toothpaste. I am more worried about it blocking the cavity in my arse up than poisoning me.

/Salsa
 
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