Should water companies be banned form adding fluoride to our water?

Sliver · 4 Sep 2013 at 13:02

ennogs said:
How is my statement stupid? Look at the warning on the toothpastes. They are basically saying if you swallow more than teaspoon full of toothpaste consult a poisons center. A teaspoon full is enough for you to have to consult a poisons center? They are telling you fluoride is poisonous. I don't care if they are diluting it. They are diluting a poison and putting it on our water.

I read the above yesterday and went upstairs and ate a teaspoon sized blob of my toothpaste ( Sensodyne it was and it actually was quite pleasant). Today I awoke feeling absolutely fine.

Is my death by poison time delayed, or is this conspiracy theory, a conspiracy theory ? :rolleyes:

Art · 4 Sep 2013 at 13:10

FoxEye said:
Is it really necessary to know how what concentration of X,Y,Z is fatal? We know what quantities of these elements are present in nature, and we know that these quantities are safe.

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Given the difficulty of actually administering fatal doses of these elements, isn't it self-evident that no human is going to die from Fluoride overdose?

Just to butt in here yes, it's very helpful to know, particularly for work situations where you're working with levels of the chemical far beyond what you'd be exposed to at home. Knowing the lethal dose is helpful for deciding if it's actually safe to use X quantity of it in the lab, knowing that it kills you faster when mixed with Y is crucial information when setting up experiments with multiple reagents, knowing it causes cancer when you're exposed to Z amount for A hours is obviously very helpful, etc.

The majority of this sort of lethal dose/ harmful effect duration data isn't actually meant for use in the home, it's meant for use in the workplace where you can be exposed to far higher quantities of it in the course of whatever work you do.

Raymond Lin · 4 Sep 2013 at 13:15

Raikiri said:
The median lethal dose is 0.125 g/kg, similar to that of caffeine. The upper limit of what's added to water is 1.2mg per liter. Meaning that if you weigh 70KG you would have to consume at least 7292 liters in one go for it to be a lethal dose.

I think you're ok.

Edit: That would be 3.65KG of toothpastes worth, roughly.

I vote for OP take that challenge !

MikeTheNative · 4 Sep 2013 at 13:16

Sliver said:
I read the above yesterday and went upstairs and ate a teaspoon sized blob of my toothpaste ( Sensodyne it was and it actually was quite pleasant). Today I awoke feeling absolutely fine.

Is my death by poison time delayed, or is this conspiracy theory, a conspiracy theory ?

RIP Sliver, was nice knowing you.

leaskovski · 4 Sep 2013 at 13:19

ennogs said:
Puts tin hat on

Im sorry, but I thought you hadn't ever taken it off going by all your other posts? :confused:

Sui · 4 Sep 2013 at 13:19

One thing I can take from that first post is that I definitely feel a lot smarter.

MikeTheNative · 4 Sep 2013 at 13:23

garriec said:
One thing I can take from that first post is that I definitely feel a lot smarter.

To be fair to him, all that tin foil on his head has probably fried his brain

KIA · 4 Sep 2013 at 15:22

Hmm.

Destination · 4 Sep 2013 at 19:12

ubersonic said:
That US toothpaste has 1000PPM, that's waaaaaay more than you can buy over the counter in the UK (IIRC the limit is around 350?), 1K PPM toothpaste is prescribed by dentists in certain circumstances.

Your initial figures are incorrect, kids pastes will be 100ppm sometimes lower. Most strong adult toothpastes will be in the region of 1400ppm in the UK, water will be around 0.7ppm if fluoridated. Dentists can prescribe 2800ppm and 5000ppm fluoride toothpastes on occasions, yes.

dacads · 4 Sep 2013 at 20:36

As it's of no use yes

gothic_hobbit · 4 Sep 2013 at 21:17

Someone has been watching too much Alex Jones.

gillywibble · 5 Sep 2013 at 11:33

The majority of drinking water in England is not artificially fluoridated as many believe.

There is evidence to suggest that artificial fluoridation of water causes Dental Fluorosis.

Further research has confirmed that fluoride calcifies the pineal gland.

There is plenty of reading on the subject here if anyone is interested.

Haggisman · 5 Sep 2013 at 12:12

Slightly related, since it's in the same chemical family as fluorine - chlorine, while not quite as nasty, is still pretty unpleasant, and have you seen how much of the stuff is put into our food as a "flavour enhancer" - for those of you unaware, chlorine is actually added to water to kill micro-organisms, and yet we eat the stuff?

Seriously, I think it's about time they banned "sodium chloride" in food altogether.

Mr Jones · 5 Sep 2013 at 12:23

Haggisman said:
Slightly related, since it's in the same chemical family as fluorine - chlorine, while not quite as nasty, is still pretty unpleasant, and have you seen how much of the stuff is put into our food as a "flavour enhancer" - for those of you unaware, chlorine is actually added to water to kill micro-organisms, and yet we eat the stuff?

Seriously, I think it's about time they banned "sodium chloride" in food altogether.

Not sure if troll but I'll bite.

Chlorine Cl2(aq) is used to remove a lot of nasty found in 'raw' veg - e.g. bag of 'Washed Salad' you get from many places have their veg prewashed with water containing a small percentage of Chlorine that kills e.g. Salmonella that can be found naturally in soil the veg grows.

Chloride in Sodium Chloride NaCl(s) is also known as table salt. This can be used to kill nasties at very high concentration e.g. Preservatives, Salted Fish. However, we use them as food enhanser because it gives food an extra dimension and makes the pallet taste more flavours.

Remember how Cambell Soups use to taste delicious until they reformulated with lower salt? Their soup since then tasted nasty? Because they removed "Sodium Chloride", e.g. Salt. Bland tasting soup.

Can you imagine how bad food will taste if it's banned?

/off topic.

Haggisman · 5 Sep 2013 at 12:39

Mr Jones said:
Not sure if troll but I'll bite.

Chlorine Cl2(aq) is used to remove a lot of nasty found in 'raw' veg - e.g. bag of 'Washed Salad' you get from many places have their veg prewashed with water containing a small percentage of Chlorine that kills e.g. Salmonella that can be found naturally in soil the veg grows.

Chloride in Sodium Chloride NaCl(s) is also known as table salt. This can be used to kill nasties at very high concentration e.g. Preservatives, Salted Fish. However, we use them as food enhanser because it gives food an extra dimension and makes the pallet taste more flavours.

Remember how Cambell Soups use to taste delicious until they reformulated with lower salt? Their soup since then tasted nasty? Because they removed "Sodium Chloride", e.g. Salt. Bland tasting soup.

Can you imagine how bad food will taste if it's banned?

/off topic.

Actually, it's not just the chlorine in sodium chloride that's unpleasant - have you seen how sodium reacts with water? So we're mixing 2 poisons together and adding them to our food.... sounds like a great idea! :rolleyes:

Mr-White · 5 Sep 2013 at 12:47

They're trying to kill off the gingers :eek:

MW

cHk4 · 5 Sep 2013 at 12:51

Isn't there that ting in the center of your brain that is like a pine cone (pineal gland?) type shape? Can't think of the name but apparently it calcifies by the time you're 35 and this is mainly down to fluoride... Not read thread so this may have been covered already.

James J · 5 Sep 2013 at 13:21

Haggisman said:
Actually, it's not just the chlorine in sodium chloride that's unpleasant - have you seen how sodium reacts with water? So we're mixing 2 poisons together and adding them to our food.... sounds like a great idea!

Try living with no sodium in your body, oh wait, you can't.

Sliver · 5 Sep 2013 at 13:27

Mr-White said:
They're trying to kill off the gingers

If Hitler had singled out the gingers instead of the Jews, the world would be a different place.

Mr Jones · 5 Sep 2013 at 13:33

Haggisman said:
Actually, it's not just the chlorine in sodium chloride that's unpleasant - have you seen how sodium reacts with water? So we're mixing 2 poisons together and adding them to our food.... sounds like a great idea!

Final bite and I'm out;

Sodium Na2(s) is nasty, especially when it you try reating it on water.

Sodium Chloride, NaCl(s) is an ionic compound of Na+, Cl-. They do not react the same way as their solid / gaseous non-ionic compound.

By the way, move your muscle, blink your eye, think, breathe and everything that moves in your body requires Na+ to move through a channel. No sodium ions in your body, you'll essentially not be alive.

Stop focusing your worries on specific name of an atom, Sodium isn't going to kill you in the form on NaCl. Much like Oxygen is giving you life but try free radical Oxygen surging through your body, that will probably kill you through cancer.

Both are Oxygen but both are completely different chemically. This applies to NaCl tablesalt vs a piece of sodium you attempt to swallow whilst breathing in Chlorine gas.

/off topic.