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Since we're on the topic of regulation etc, I thought I'd put this up for discussion here. One of my work colleagues and I got chatting while having a vape, and she was telling me how her friend caught her 14yr old son smoking. He said that he didn't really like smoking but wanted an ecig like hers because "all the other kids had them" at their school. So this friend is now considering buying her 14yr old son an ecig and zero Nic liquid to keep him off the cigarettes.

Until thus point, I had always assumed ecigs would be "uncool" with kids, but it seems they offer an undetectable way for kids to "smoke" which they still see as cool. I was a bit unsure how I felt about the idea of a 14yr old vaping. Surely, given an absolute choice between cigarettes and zero Nic ecig, the ecig is the lesser of two evils, but it didn't feel right to me. What do you guys think about this? Does it justify concerns about vaping renormalising smoking? Would these kids be smoking anyway, so this is at least safer? What are the long term repurcussions?
 
Jaffa_Far said:
Thinking of getting this along with an ohm meter and a blue glass tank for my Protank 2, cheaper and better looking than a Vamo. What do you guys reckon?
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Looks pretty good, but I still think you'd enjoy a VV mod better than a mech. Still, you can always get both since they're cheap.
 
My opinion is the same as you pretty much Dev. If it happend id rather they do the one which is the lesser or not at all.

There is no absolute win with a situation with that however.
 
Devrij said:
Since we're on the topic of regulation etc, I thought I'd put this up for discussion here. One of my work colleagues and I got chatting while having a vape, and she was telling me how her friend caught her 14yr old son smoking. He said that he didn't really like smoking but wanted an ecig like hers because "all the other kids had them" at their school. So this friend is now considering buying her 14yr old son an ecig and zero Nic liquid to keep him off the cigarettes.
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Oh I hope they stop him smoking both asap. Next they will be making their own juice and some poor child will get hurt(I hope not).
 
Devrij said:
Looks pretty good, but I still think you'd enjoy a VV mod better than a mech. Still, you can always get both since they're cheap.
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I'd prefer a VW as opposed to VV from what I have read...or I may have got that wrong...Either way, I'm enjoying my eGo and have no desire to bin it for something shiny and expensive. I believe my eGo vapes at 3.7v and I'm perfectly happy with that. I have also been reading, and I'd prefer a mod over a VW/VV due to looks alone, but I would use a kick to keep the voltage stable (think that is correct?) and then use the ohms on the coils to change my vape?
 
deuse said:
Oh I hope they stop him smoking both asap. Next they will be making their own juice and some poor child will get hurt(I hope not).
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Apparently they aren't fussed about the nic content, he just wants to have an ecig. Still, I was surprised and concerned tbh, and said the same thing. She tried to educate him on why she vapes, but to be fair, I knew smoking was bad for me when I was young but just didn't care/understand. So vaping is "in" with kids it seems. It certainly doesn't help our cause. Unfortunately what is cool to adults overlaps to kids a bit, and lobbyists will take one look at GVC and say "they're even making custard flavours to get kids into it!". Yeah, and Ferrari make cars kids think are cool so they'll buy their fast cars and die! Clearly not the case, but it's a soft target nonetheless.

I guess what I'm saying is that we do need to consider the impact ecigs could have on kids who aren't the intended users. On the one hand, if they aren't smoking, great. On the other, it's easy to hide, and developing a nic addiction at that age is not a good thing. In the same vein as that I wouldn't want young kids pouring 10 cups of coffee down their gobs every day.
 
Devrij said:
Apparently they aren't fussed about the nic content, he just wants to have an ecig. Still, I was surprised and concerned tbh, and said the same thing. She tried to educate him on why she vapes, but to be fair, I knew smoking was bad for me when I was young but just didn't care/understand. So vaping is "in" with kids it seems. It certainly doesn't help our cause. Unfortunately what is cool to adults overlaps to kids a bit, and lobbyists will take one look at GVC and say "they're even making custard flavours to get kids into it!". Yeah, and Ferrari make cars kids think are cool so they'll buy their fast cars and die! Clearly not the case, but it's a soft target nonetheless.

I guess what I'm saying is that we do need to consider the impact ecigs could have on kids who aren't the intended users. On the one hand, if they aren't smoking, great. On the other, it's easy to hide, and developing a nic addiction at that age is not a good thing. In the same vein as that I wouldn't want young kids pouring 10 cups of coffee down their gobs every day.
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Totally agree and @ 14 years old is just wrong, he would probably get one anyway but it wouldn't be from me.:mad:
 
I myself am 19 and started smoking at the age of 14 for various reasons. Not peer pressure as none of my friends smoked. People that age will smoke if they want to.

If the child has been open with you about it and wants to use them over real cigarettes then 0mg nicotine in a tobacco flavour (not something nice and sweet) then it's a lessor of two evils. Obviously not a solution but there never will be, children will smoke and acquire their goods one way or another.

I wouldn't fund any of their habit and I'd give them a kicking if I caught them with a cigarette mind you.....
 
I'm a big fan of Simon's but the banana tasted very chemical and synthetic to me. The monkey jizz from vapingking is far superior and tastes much more natural.
 
shaffaaf27 said:
Are there any negatives to getting the clone mods? Feel like getting a few to see what I like, and then buy the real deal of the one that suits me
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It's mainly build quality. But that's probably the way to go. Try them out on the cheap and then invest in a longer lasting version.
 
devious93 said:
I wouldn't fund any of their habit and I'd give them a kicking if I caught them with a cigarette mind you.....
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A kicking? Double standards much.

Wouldn't sitting down and talking about such a thing have a better result...

on topic, My mech box mod arrived and god it's awesome! only runs on a single 14500 battery with a vivi nova attached, but god it produces plumes! and much nicer taste than my old Ego-C, should have my V3 in the next week hopefully, then it's deciding on either the Kanger Protank 2 or an Evod, or something else entirely, I don't know yet lol
 
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Jaffa_Far said:
I'd prefer a VW as opposed to VV from what I have read...or I may have got that wrong...Either way, I'm enjoying my eGo and have no desire to bin it for something shiny and expensive. I believe my eGo vapes at 3.7v and I'm perfectly happy with that. I have also been reading, and I'd prefer a mod over a VW/VV due to looks alone, but I would use a kick to keep the voltage stable (think that is correct?) and then use the ohms on the coils to change my vape?
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All VW devices will be VV as well (not necessarily the other way around), but you're right in thinking VW is easier to use.

Pros and cons
Mech: pro, no circuitry getting in the way of the current. Con, more fiddling with attys to get the coil heat right
VV/VW mods: pro, easy to use, change the coil heat on the fly with no fiddle. Con, big, more prone to malfunction/damage.

They each have their benefits, but because of the extra hassle mechs involve, they're generally better suited to enthusiasts who don't mind recoiling and recoiling to get the right resistance. VV/VW is very user friendly. Using a kick is basically turning a mech into a VV mod, but does mean you lose some of that mech hard hitting current.
 
Jay said:
has anyone received their snake oil delivery from Wednesday yet?
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I got mine on Wednesday 2-3 hours before I got the email...

Devrij said:
All VW devices will be VV as well (not necessarily the other way around), but you're right in thinking VW is easier to use.

Pros and cons
Mech: pro, no circuitry getting in the way of the current. Con, more fiddling with attys to get the coil heat right
VV/VW mods: pro, easy to use, change the coil heat on the fly with no fiddle. Con, big, more prone to malfunction/damage.

They each have their benefits, but because of the extra hassle mechs involve, they're generally better suited to enthusiasts who don't mind recoiling and recoiling to get the right resistance. VV/VW is very user friendly. Using a kick is basically turning a mech into a VV mod, but does mean you lose some of that mech hard hitting current.
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I see, thank you for that...although, nothing I'm reading is helping me...
I like the Smok-SID, the Smok-Pipe, The Gus (all of them :D) Segeli mods, K100...there are loads I really love the look off...
 
Jaffa_Far said:
I got mine on Wednesday 2-3 hours before I got the email...



I see, thank you for that...although, nothing I'm reading is helping me...
I like the Smok-SID, the Smok-Pipe, The Gus (all of them :D) Segeli mods, K100...there are loads I really love the look off...
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Haha, yeah there are lots of shiny toys out there.

What I would ask you is this: what do you want from the device? Do you want something low maintenance and easy to use, something that offers the best vape possible at the cost of time, frustration and fiddling, or something in between?

Currently you have an easy to use low maintenance device. A mech + rebuildable steel mesh atty is definitely going to be the difficult option (if you are up for a project, and are willing to treat it like a project, this is fine), and a VV/VW mod with a silica rebuildable would sit somewhere in the middle.

I don't know how patient you are with things, which is why I'm hesitant to suggest a mech, especially when paired with a steel wick atty. It can be really really frustrating at times, but when you nail it, it's great. You will get there with practice, but you need to be prepared to go through a bit of failure first lol. Silica wicks are much easier to master, so if you are set on a mech for that small form factor, I would start out with a silica wick atty.
 
Devrij said:
Haha, yeah there are lots of shiny toys out there.

What I would ask you is this: what do you want from the device? Do you want something low maintenance and easy to use, something that offers the best vape possible at the cost of time, frustration and fiddling, or something in between?

Currently you have an easy to use low maintenance device. A mech + rebuildable steel mesh atty is definitely going to be the difficult option (if you are up for a project, and are willing to treat it like a project, this is fine), and a VV/VW mod with a silica rebuildable would sit somewhere in the middle.

I don't know how patient you are with things, which is why I'm hesitant to suggest a mech, especially when paired with a steel wick atty. It can be really really frustrating at times, but when you nail it, it's great. You will get there with practice, but you need to be prepared to go through a bit of failure first lol. Silica wicks are much easier to master, so if you are set on a mech for that small form factor, I would start out with a silica wick atty.
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I'm fine with learning and patience. I love the looks of the mechs and they seem simple (no wires etc) I would prefer a bottom firer. I also enjoy tinkering with things. I've rewound a motor before so I think that is harder than a tiny coil :p. Regarding atomizers, I like the look of the AGA T2 and the RSST. I would also prefer something small as opposed to a robo-wang...
 
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