Poll: Which Next Gen Console will you buy? - Final version (honest!)

What console(s) will you buy during the launch window?

  • I will buy both consoles during the launch window

    Votes: 67 6.5%

  • I will buy an Xbox One only during the launch window

    Votes: 185 18.0%

  • I will buy a PS4 only during the launch window

    Votes: 395 38.4%

  • I will buy neither console during the launch window

    Votes: 286 27.8%

  • I'm still undecided

    Votes: 95 9.2%
  • Total voters
    1,028
Both during the launch window for me. Although, to be fair, that's due to my work and the opportunities it could bring. If it wasn't for that, I'd probably just get the one console and I'm genuinely not sure which. :o Glad I don't have to choose. :p
 
Davey_Pitch said:
It does seem a little off when you put it like that. Perhaps that's why he said he wants a technical person to explain it all? Maybe there is something not explained that we don't know about? I'm not defending him, just speculating.
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And conversely Im not particular fond of attacking, but a lot of whats said needs context and tranparency rather than spin. Im tired of MS sending mix-messages where initially it wasnt anything to do with specs and now all I see is MS speaking about specs, just look at the PR announcements theyve made...

Im not saying Sony cant act as silly, but my god theres a reason they are as quiet as they are while MS seem to get enough rope to hang themselves.

If they dont have the the performance advantage then speak about features/benefits - thats Apple 101 right there...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Haly said:
Both during the launch window for me. Although, to be fair, that's due to my work and the opportunities it could bring. If it wasn't for that, I'd probably just get the one console and I'm genuinely not sure which. :o Glad I don't have to choose. :p
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I really wish I was still reviewing games right now, I'd love an excuse to get both consoles at launch and not just one :D
 
Davey_Pitch said:
I really wish I was still reviewing games right now, I'd love an excuse to get both consoles at launch and not just one :D
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It's a handy way of justifying it. :) If it was solely for fun, even though I've spent plenty of time saving up for them, there's no way I could justify it to my conscience. :o
 
ps3ud0 said:
Sorry I added more to my post, but fundamentally unless they work seperately (in parallel) you just cant add their bandwidth together like he did. Considering what can populate the eSRAM its very unlikely not to be the DDR3 and if thats the case its nowhere as qualified as the calculation he just made - its a joke to describe it as a headline like he just did as far as I understand it...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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It's interesting. I agree you can't just add two sets of bandwidth together unless he's saying they have a way for the CPU/GPU to draw from both sets of memory simultaneously in parallel as you say, in which case it still doesn't quite work out like that but it could be an interesting scenario if true as it gives you a way to have sustained bandwidth for some elements and significant burst bandwidth for others.

The other thing is if the eSRAM is effectively acting as a cache. Although there's not a lot of it the CPU isn't drawing from memory constantly so although the slower main memory needs to keep it topped up it could mean that the CPU has a decent supply of RAM available to it at the eSRAM speed. For example if the CPU empties the eSRAM in one "tick" and doesn't request anything more for a further 4 ticks there's enough time for the slower main memory to keep the eSRAM topped up ready for the next call. Of course you're never going to get full bandwidth as there's at the very least an inefficiency in predictive caching, still, again it'll be interesting so see in practical terms linked with the faster CPU and HAS bandwidth of 30GB/s vs 20GB/s.

I wonder what the driver and API optimisations look like on the two consoles, especially for launch. We all know a dodgy/good driver can make double digit differences to performance.

I still think the PS4 will be quicker but as I mentioned before, I genuinely don't think it will be anything near the "50% faster" being bandied about.

None of which really matters other than I think if the performance difference ends up being down to 10-15% real world we're unlikely to see any significant "enhancements" to PS4 versions of cross platform games with a relatively small performance increase, although first party games and exclusives would still take advantage of it I presume.

If you don't have a reason to buy X1 there's still a lot of wisdom to say all other things being equally you may as well get the more powerful console even if it is "only" say 15%, you may as well have it.

Despite the all the bitching backwards and forwards I really don't think there is a "bad" console choice this time. I do have to say though I'm still a little concerned that both consoles whilst "okish" for now but may not age well in 5 - 7 years time.

**Edit** I've just had a look at the hotchips stuff again and it occurs to me in the SoC schematics the eSRAM doesn't seem to sit between main DDR3 RAM and CPU at all, if anything it looks as if it sits between GPU and Nortbridge *confused* although it does have a mystery direct line connecting to CPU. Nope, still no idea what's going on with the eSRAM! :) Someone with a bit more experience have a look please, my little brain has just fried itself trying to work out whats going on and what, if any implication there could be for the eSRAM interfacing with the GPU rather than CPU.
 
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Theres no great indication that the CPU can see the eSRAM, hints to it but nothing substantial and tbh it might be why hUMA is a grey area (memory coherency for the main memory pool but not for the eSRAM). And tbh youd rather have it targetted to the GPU rather than the CPU...

Im not sure of the difference in CPU memory bandwidth makes a big difference, but then Im of the opinion its latency thats paramount especially with the flexibility of tasks the CPU will be dealing with - DDR3 is more than capable of dealing with that, if it wasnt we wouldnt see that setup in PCs :p

I dont think anyone genuinely thinks theoretical spec differences equate to performance differences; its just easier to talk about theoreticals until we see the consoles actually perform...

EDIT: 15% is significant when you consider how it might be targetted. Aiming for 60fps with 15% tolerance is quite a wide area...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Still just the PS4 for me, mainly due to price. I'll still get an Xbox One but Q3/Q4 next year when maybe a new console refinement is out and with a price drop.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Theres no great indication that the CPU can see the eSRAM, hints to it but nothing substantial and tbh it might be why hUMA is a grey area (memory coherency for the main memory pool but not for the eSRAM). And tbh youd rather have it targetted to the GPU rather than the CPU...

Im not sure of the difference in CPU memory bandwidth makes a big difference, but then Im of the opinion its latency thats paramount especially with the flexibility of tasks the CPU will be dealing with - DDR3 is more than capable of dealing with that, if it wasnt we wouldnt see that setup in PCs :p

I dont think anyone genuinely thinks theoretical spec differences equate to performance differences; its just easier to talk about theoreticals until we see the consoles actually perform...

EDIT: 15% is significant when you consider how it might be targetted. Aiming for 60fps with 15% tolerance is quite a wide area...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Explained a while back not sure of the real difference with the CPU bandwidth, the XB1 states a 30Gb/s where as the PS4 is around 20GB/s but has another bus it can use that has a bandwidth of 10Gb/s. The Tflops of the system are not the whole story obviously as that doesnt take the 100% more ROPS, 50% more texture units and having 8 ACE/64 queues compared to 2 ACE/ 16 queues in the XB1. I really dont think anyone could hazard a guess at any differences (if any) as so much is dependent on the developer/time/money. The PS4 SHOULD be more poweful than the XB1 but wether it is or not we have to wait a few years i guess.
 
ps3ud0 said:
I fall asleep when thinking about Onion, Onion+ and Garlic, such poor names

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Agreed.

For the naming processes, I think anyone who makes processors should call them by curry name. That way we know what is the most powerful, and what will leave the biggest burning sensation in the pants.

For software, maybe side dishes?
 
Ryan-3 said:
Agreed.

For the naming processes, I think anyone who makes processors should call them by curry name. That way we know what is the most powerful, and what will leave the biggest burning sensation in the pants.

For software, maybe side dishes?
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PS4 powered by Phaal runs sag aloo OS 2
 
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