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Chadd said:
The Nexus 4 is a great value phone, but it doesn't quite compare to an iPhone. I have used both and the Nexus feels cheap compared to an iPhone. It's not surprising then that it is cheaper.

Coming from an iPhone 4 I can't wait to upgrade to the 5S.
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I got the nexus 4 on release broke a few months later and got an iPhone 5 then sold it and got another nexus.. For me it just performed better.. The open source and rooting/modding done it for me.. The customisation the power.. All won hands down for me. I wouldn't say it feels cheap though to be honest.. Its a solid device and a brilliant price.

Android offer so much more for what iOS offers now..
 
Chadd said:
I was responding to dparksinger who keeps trying to argue that a Nexus is better when it clearly isn't.
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So at £200 a quad core 1.5ghz CPU 2gb ram and adreno 320 isn't better.. Higher resolution better end user customisation and open source?

OK then...

The 5s has just been announced the nexus 5 will be out in a couple of months with a 2.x CPU and 1080p screen... Android 4.4 come on now.. Apple needed more than what they have offered
 
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Especially when you consider what the iphone 5C offers. The price is likely to still be far above nexus devices and not contain the latest cutting edge chips or use the "premium" materials that iphone proponents always seem to point out as a mitigating reason for price.

Nexus 5 still has an opportunity in the next couple of months to step things up further.
 
dparksinger said:
I got the nexus 4 on release broke a few months later and got an iPhone 5 then sold it and got another nexus.. For me it just performed better.. The open source and rooting/modding done it for me.. The customisation the power.. All won hands down for me. I wouldn't say it feels cheap though to be honest.. Its a solid device and a brilliant price.

Android offer so much more for what iOS offers now..
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dparksinger said:
So at £200 a quad core 1.5ghz CPU 2gb ram and adreno 320 isn't better.. Higher resolution better end user customisation and open source?

OK then...
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In your opinion. Just to be clear on that.

The Nexus 4 is excellent value at its price point, no doubt about that. It isn't really a main rival though, the Galaxy S4 is.
 
muon said:
Well it does turn out the Atrix has had it. Besides the HTC One Max like I mentioned has been designed to have it and will just be slightly later than Apple to market.

Like Siri and Google Voice though, I don't think it is something which will be that important. Also it now makes the home button even more integral and so Apple will be even more resistant to changing the bezel design which is bad in the long run imo.

Google Now on the hand is very useful after it has learnt your habits, and is expanding to become a genuinely useful tool.
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Ah ok, I stand corrected (after reading the Atrix's specs!).

I'm not so sure, I think it'll get a warm welcome as it's come partly in a response to police and government worried about security. The more companies that get on board, the quicker it'll be taken up.

Regarding the phone's design, I think it'll stay the same shape it's always been. It's iconic, Porsche have done it with the 911 and that's worked out for them and I can see Apple sticking to their product brand. It's a universal symbol. Personally I don't care too much, so long as it's not pig ugly and it's well made from nice materials. It's more what the phone does, and how well it does it whilst complementing other connected platforms (OSX for example).

Yeah I do like Now, had a good nose on the Nexus 7 the other night. Very cool feature, I was initially hesitant to being tracked but I can definitely see the benefits to it.

Well if the NFC market (something more important than other gimmickey features people have produced) is created by other manufacturers, just like 3G then you can see how Apple aren't the most innovative in actual useful technologies.
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Raymond Lin said:
They probably think it is too soon for NFC to be implemented, and adding the tech will just be wasting money for something that isn't widely used.
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I think Ray hit the nail on the head, Apple is waiting for NFC to proliferate more. Or, they're waiting on a standard on the back end with banks and financial institutions that'll see their implementation universally compatible across the globe. Or perhaps waiting for the biometric market to pick up...

NFC + biometrics = secure shopping with no need for a wallet.
 
muon said:
They seem to be comparable in specifications. Just because the Nexus 4 is cheap doesn't mean it isn't a phone to be compared.

Normally yes a much cheaper phone is in a different league, but that isn't the case for the Nexus 4.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5048&idPhone2=5685

The Nexus 4 lacks LTE but at £200 a lot of people can live without that.
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Damn, the Nexus 4 which is now discontinued is on par with an Apple phone which hasn't been released. That really says something about Apple.
 
Robbo said:
In your opinion. Just to be clear on that.

The Nexus 4 is excellent value at its price point, no doubt about that. It isn't really a main rival though, the Galaxy S4 is.
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You're right in the s4 but with the n5 just around the corner and with the same price bracket as the n4 surely its going to be a winner?
 
Pretty unexciting update but didnt expect anything else. Actually happy screen size didn't increase. It's a phone and the current size is perfect. Does what it needs to do and is uncumbersome in my pocket. No reason to change up from my iphone5 64gb.
 
photoshop said:
Damn, the Nexus 4 which is now discontinued is on par with an Apple phone which hasn't been released. That really says something about Apple.
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The Nexus 4 isn't quite on par. Camera is a bit lacking, it lacks LTE and the iphone GPU will probably be a bit better, but there should be concern imo with the Nexus 5 around the corner.
 
dparksinger said:
You're right in the s4 but with the n5 just around the corner and with the same price bracket as the n4 surely its going to be a winner?
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They might put the price up again? It's not as if the Nexus 4 has sold loads and been a resounding success. As for a 'winner', I consider the iPhone to have a different approach, and as long as it performs properly and responsively (most people aren't interested in speed comparisons) then I can see people sticking to it.

The chap above with the Porsche 911 comment has pretty much nailed it. The evolution of an existing formula is really a very smart idea, if you do it properly. So far, in my opinion, Apple have continued to deliver.

It bewilders me as to why you seem so threatened by the iPhone (you aren't alone). How many iPhone owners are sat in the Android phone threads trying to convince people to buy an iPhone, or argue it's better? Absolutely none. That's rather telling.
 
muon said:
The Nexus 4 isn't quite on par. Camera is a bit lacking, it lacks LTE and the iphone GPU will probably be better, but there should be concern imo with the Nexus 5 around the corner.
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Ye but the Nexus 4 is a year old...and discontinued.......and the 5S is from the future (as its not released yet) so you would expect that.
 
This is a retarded thread in so many ways its actually quite depressing. Seriously, who has made massive innovations in phone tech in the last few years. Most iPhone users don't want to go the way of android phones and have 5" screens. I like the fact that the iPhone is great for doing everything that I want it to do. I don't want to watch films on a 5" screen thanks.

Saying that innovation has died since Jobs did is again ridiculous. What did he do that apple haven't done since. The original iPhone was paradigm shifting but since then its all been incremental. This is the first time in a while that phones have actually added something that could be great in the form of the fingerprint scanner.

What did people expect? Everyone whinges about the lack of change but can't for the life of them actually come up with anything that is in the realms of possibility technology wise. Inductive charging would make the phone fatter and people would whinge. Bigger screen people would complain. Longer battery life, bigger phone.

Seriously, you know what you are getting with modern phones. Faster processors and new software features pretty much. When a leap in tech happens, it won't come out of the blue from a particular manufacturer.

Also, give it a rest dparksinger. No one who knows even a little bit about computers in general is so stupid as to think that you can decide which is the better phone based on processor speed, ram or screen resolution.
 
Robbo said:
They might put the price up again? It's not as if the Nexus 4 has sold loads and been a resounding success.
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They never intended it to be a mass seller but it was pretty much sold out on the Play Store for the first 6 months so they have the demand.
 
Robbo said:
They might put the price up again? It's not as if the Nexus 4 has sold loads and been a resounding success. As for a 'winner', I consider the iPhone to have a different approach, and as long as it performs properly and responsively (most people aren't interested in speed comparisons) then I can see people sticking to it.

The chap above with the Porsche 911 comment has pretty much nailed it. The evolution of an existing formula is really a very smart idea, if you do it properly. So far, in my opinion, Apple have continued to deliver.

It bewilders me as to why you seem to threatened by the iPhone (you aren't alone). How many iPhone owners are sat in the Android phone threads trying to convince people to buy an iPhone, or argue it's better? Absolutely none. That's rather telling.
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This. "Laughable" comes to mind.

It's a phone. Get over yourselves.

I'll say that the Nexus 4 is a excellent device for the price, and does represent quite an improvement for Android as a whole. However, having owned one since the first wave of deliveries, it isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Having owned an iPhone 5 beforehand, I can confidently say that I found the iPhone to be the superior device (aside from the damn scuffing/denting problems that made me get rid of the thing in the first place).

As I've said before, for every positive point about iOS/Android there will be another negative point to take its place. For the Android people to come here and feel compelled to argue about it is pretty sad. It's always the Android/Windows users that seem to do it, and it rarely happens the other way round. I do wonder why.
 
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The_Baron said:
Pretty unexciting update but didnt expect anything else. Actually happy screen size didn't increase. It's a phone and the current size is perfect. Does what it needs to do and is uncumbersome in my pocket. No reason to change up from my iphone5 64gb.
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Aye, I can definitely see that viewpoint if you have a 5. In fact I had a similar conversation with a mate tonight who was considering the same. Coming from a 4 though, it's a decent step up for me. Bigger screen, much faster CPU/GPU, infinitely better camera, etc.

I agree with your sentiments about the screen size, I really cannot get on with large devices that are supposed to be in the portable category. Lunking something around that has the same footprint as a 3.5" hard disk just seems daft.
 
Robbo said:
They might put the price up again? It's not as if the Nexus 4 has sold loads and been a resounding success. As for a 'winner', I consider the iPhone to have a different approach, and as long as it performs properly and responsively (most people aren't interested in speed comparisons) then I can see people sticking to it.

The chap above with the Porsche 911 comment has pretty much nailed it. The evolution of an existing formula is really a very smart idea, if you do it properly. So far, in my opinion, Apple have continued to deliver.

It bewilders me as to why you seem so threatened by the iPhone (you aren't alone). How many iPhone owners are sat in the Android phone threads trying to convince people to buy an iPhone, or argue it's better? Absolutely none. That's rather telling.
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Because Google doesn't have the marketing like apple does.. That's how they sell they paint a pretty picture to its consumers and makes them believe that they are getting an amazing device.. Dont get me wrong the iPhone is a good device... But they are lacking compared to the competition IMO.... Google do not need to market like apple does.. They know its consumers know what they are getting and do not need to paint the whole world with it.

People are not on android threads convincing people because they have no clue about anything else out there... Well the majority don't.. Its all about iPhone to them.
 
fez said:
Most iPhone users don't want to go the way of android phones and have 5" screens. I like the fact that the iPhone is great for doing everything that I want it to do. I don't want to watch films on a 5" screen thanks
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So whats going to happen when Apple release a phone with a larger screen which they will no doubt at some point? What you guys going to do then?

They using plastic now which Samsung has been using for a while which every one slates Samsung for but its ok for Apple to put plastic on a phone...
 
To those saying Touch ID is a gimmick, I disagree. It's not so much an optional extra like Siri or any voice assistant for that matter which you can choose to not use or forget about. I think Touch ID will be used all the time and will be very convenient.
 
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