Who here is a teacher?

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

The problem is there are too many crap teachers getting paid more than they deserve. We all had them when we were at school and that hasn't changed.

Pay the crap ones less and pay the good teachers more. Even at 38 year old I can remember the good teachers from my secondary school years and the difference they make is worth every penny.

Sadly I can also remember the poor teachers who quite honestly shouldn't have been teaching.

 

[RedvGreenOLD]

Way to jump the gun there. I'm certainly not a teacher -- I could never do it in a million years. I'd probably end up like that one who went mental a few years ago and stoved a kid with a weight.

I also made absolutely zero comment towards it being a unique situation for teachers to be messed around. Not entirely sure where you got that from? I'm merely pointing out that anyone is going to get stressed and angry when messed around persistently in the workplace... almost the opposite of what you're accusing? Why should teachers be expected to just take it? Because they get more holidays than others? That's just race to the bottom mentality, and it's idiotic.

Is it true that employees in law enforcement are forbidden by contract to strike?

Your comments relating to the erosion of the profession and shifting goalposts (etc) are what many people face these days, and not unique to those in the Education sector.

Strike action needs to be supported by the Union/Federation and needs a great deal of advance notice - the intention of striking is to make the contributions of the individuals on strike be released and missed; by providing weeks, if not months, of notice allows for suitable contingencies to be arranged and the 'inconvenience' offset.

We're in the boat where if we ask for more pay, even through official channels ... it won't reflect very well on our future nor appraisals, and, dare I say, will have a substantial negative effect. (all cloak and dagger stuff of the higher-ups).

The problem is there are too many crap teachers getting paid more than they deserve. We all had them when we were at school and that hasn't changed.

Pay the crap ones less and pay the good teachers more. Even at 38 year old I can remember the good teachers from my secondary school years and the difference they make is worth every penny.

Sadly I can also remember the poor teachers who quite honestly shouldn't have been teaching.

Nail -> head !

 

[Diagro]

The problem is there are too many crap teachers getting paid more than they deserve. We all had them when we were at school and that hasn't changed.

Pay the crap ones less and pay the good teachers more. Even at 38 year old I can remember the good teachers from my secondary school years and the difference they make is worth every penny.

Sadly I can also remember the poor teachers who quite honestly shouldn't have been teaching.

I'm sure that's whats happening in these new academy?

teachers are monitored and poor performers are kept on lower wage and higher performers are given an increase in pay to show for it.
Though unfortunately the academy wage is lower than normal

 

[Pestilence]

Your comments relating to the erosion of the profession and shifting goalposts (etc) are what many people face these days, and not unique to those in the Education sector.

Strike action needs to be supported by the Union/Federation and needs a great deal of advance notice - the intention of striking is to make the contributions of the individuals on strike be released and missed; by providing weeks, if not months, of notice allows for suitable contingencies to be arranged and the 'inconvenience' offset.

We're in the boat where if we ask for more pay, even through official channels ... it won't reflect very well on our future nor appraisals, and, dare I say, will have a substantial negative effect. (all cloak and dagger stuff of the higher-ups).

Nail -> head !

My point is, I didn't say it was.

Cheers for the rest of the info, though. I really do hate workplace politics with a passion.

 

[RDM]

I'm sure that's whats happening in these new academy?

teachers are monitored and poor performers are kept on lower wage and higher performers are given an increase in pay to show for it.
Though unfortunately the academy wage is lower than normal

Most Academies still stick with the standard teachers pay and conditions even though they have the ability to vary them.

 

[Tefal]

I guess that not having kids helps with maintaining a more objective view of the plight of those in the teaching profession.

Certainly, those in my office who protest most loudly any time there's a teaching strike and "bloody teachers this, bloody teachers that, ra ra" are those with children, and they openly complain that the big issue is that on this particular upcoming date they're going to have to deal with their own children for the day. Whether that's taking care of last-minute childcare, or simply the fact that it isn't going to be a child-free day. I'll admit it does make me smirk at the sheer display of bloody-minded self absorbance.

wel lthey're either going to ahve to fork out money or take a day off work. im not sure how officehours (presumably 9-5) count as a "child free day" because of school whic his usually 9-3or 4 :/

 

[Tefal]

nvm

 

[easyrider]

I'm a manager at Nissan UK and i'm on far more money than a teacher. I do 12 hour shifts and 6 day weeks and I just get on with it.

I just know when the teachers go on strike all the teachers and the unions will say how overworked they are. 9 weeks off in 4 months, nah that's not being overworked.

By shifts do you mean you have to clock in and clock out?

Are you paid by the hour or Salary?

 

[Tefal]

By shifts do you mean you have to clock in and clock out?

Are you paid by the hour or Salary?

by 12 hour shifts he means a 12 hour working day (often these places are clock in only not clock out). and he will be salaried and as a manager in large manufacturing is likely to be expected to do around 100 unpaid over time hours in a year if its anything like our place.

 

[albert]

9 weeks off in 4 months??? What on earth are you on about

My kids have been off for their summer holidays since the middle of July and don't go back until 23rd September. Then back for 5 weeks or so and it's half term again. Thats 9 weeks off in 4 months. Thats what i'm about.

 

[RDM]

My kids have been off for their summer holidays since the middle of July and don't go back until 23rd September. Then back for 5 weeks or so and it's half term again. Thats 9 weeks off in 4 months. Thats what i'm about.

That's a relatively silly way of working it out though don't you think? Using the same cherry picking of date ranges I could say teachers have 100% of the time off! My daughter was off for the entire month of August after all!

 

[mrbios]

There's some seriously over estimated opinions of how amazing and brilliant teachers are in here.

Biggest issues with teachers: No real world work experience. They don't treat people outside of their circle of fellow teachers as equals (literally anything other than a teacher is beneath them). They have absolutely no idea how a budget works...seriously, teachers seem to think money grows on trees! Finally the last, and biggest issue of them all, is that over half of them lack any tiniest thread of common sense!

Yes they have to put up with brats, but they get more time off than any other profession i know of .... and no I'm not being naive, about 1 in 20 teachers actually does any real work during the school holidays. Certainly 5 of the 6 week summer break you'll only ever see a maximum of 10 different teachers out of 100 turn up(if you're lucky).

There are exceptions i will admit, but they're few and far between....in over 7 years working alongside teachers I've known two out of about 250-300 different members of staff who genuinely put the effort expected of them.

Oh and need more money as a teacher? Sure easy peasy, just ask to take on any one of the million extra responsibilities that are available to sign up for and the school will kiss your feet and bump you up your pay scale! Next thing you know there's a teacher in a head teachers position, with no real world experience or knowledge of how to run anything but a classroom and hey presto you have money being ****ed up the wall left right and center and priorities in entirely the wrong places. Need more money as a member of support staff? Sure take on more roles, and get nothing but disgruntled teachers complain at you when you tell them you don't have time to do something.

Got a problem as a teacher? Sure there's 101 union reps waiting to pounce and scare the head teacher or school governors into submission. Need help as a member of support stuff? Good luck with that, can always pay into a union that does sweet FA i suppose....

If i offend any of you here I'm sorry but it's an opinion based on vast experience in the way in which schools will kiss the feet of every desire a teacher has, while ignoring every single other employee like they're dirt, and the teachers know and love it.

.....interestingly though, I'm one of the lucky few who has a head teacher who is conscientious of all his employees, including the support staff, and I'm respected and feel valued (though many teachers won't show that, at least the SMT does) yet i still have that overall opinion of schools in this country......and i could probably show you more than enough people with opinions that will closely match mine.

 

[vicisthebest]

Biggest issues with teachers: No real world work experience. They don't treat people outside of their circle of fellow teachers as equals (literally anything other than a teacher is beneath them). They have absolutely no idea how a budget works...seriously, teachers seem to think money grows on trees! Finally the last, and biggest issue of them all, is that over half of them lack any tiniest thread of common sense!

Bit of a generalisation of an entire profession (around 440,000 people), don't you think?

 

[ElliottJames]

No offense to anyone but one can hardly complain if she's working in a primary school. If she worked hard in the first place she wouldn't be in a job such as that. End of?

 

[Diagro]

No offense to anyone but one can hardly complain if she's working in a primary school. If she worked hard in the first place she wouldn't be in a job such as that. End of?

So someone who worked for a degree in early years and specialised in autistic spectrum children and then a pgce on the same subject then a masters... Didn't work hard?
To become a teacher nowadays is hard, if it was so easy and well paid why don't you do it?

Some real blind people here today

 

[ElliottJames]

So someone who worked for a degree in early years and specialised in autistic spectrum children and then a pgce on the same subject then a masters... Didn't work hard?
To become a teacher nowadays is hard, if it was so easy and well paid why don't you do it?

Some real blind people here today

So if X had a first in PPE, economics, maths, medicine, vetenary, finance, from a redbrick uni would they be working at a primary school? I think not. If X achieved half decent A level results eg AAA would they choose a career path in primary school teaching? I think not.

 

[The_Abyss]

What's that to do with teaching? It's to do with the financeability of the pension scheme. Actuaries would be the best to judge how much needs to be paid. I'd put the analysis of a GAD actuary above that of your average teacher.

Hear hear. And it is still unsustainable and disproportionately costly.

Worthy of another thread, so I'll not continue here.

 

[vicisthebest]

So if X had a first in PPE, economics, maths, medicine, vetenary, finance, from a redbrick uni would they be working at a primary school? I think not. If X achieved half decent A level results eg AAA would they choose a career path in primary school teaching? I think not.

I hate when people talk about their degrees etc, but I went to a selective school and got an ABB at A Level. I am a primary school teacher because, shock horror... I wanted to be one!

 

[Spangles]

My nephews step dad started out as a teacher a few years ago, firstly as a P.E teacher, now he is head of English at the school. Really nice bloke and thoroughly deserves all the success he gets really. I understand there is a LOT of work involved, but then they do get the nice long holidays too, so that compensates out the hours involved during term time I suppose.

 

[platypus]

I guess that not having kids helps with maintaining a more objective view of the plight of those in the teaching profession.

Certainly, those in my office who protest most loudly any time there's a teaching strike and "bloody teachers this, bloody teachers that, ra ra" are those with children, and they openly complain that the big issue is that on this particular upcoming date they're going to have to deal with their own children for the day. Whether that's taking care of last-minute childcare, or simply the fact that it isn't going to be a child-free day. I'll admit it does make me smirk at the sheer display of bloody-minded self absorbance.

What has it got to do with being bloody self minded? Teachers going on strike invariably mean people with children have to take emergency holidays or pay for last minute childcare - if they can get it.