*** iPhone 5S/5C - September 10th ***

Heya

I need some help here - it looks like the 5 different 5S models have lots of overlapping LTE bands.

Model A1533 (GSM)*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)
Model A1533 (CDMA)*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)
Model A1453*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26)
Model A1457*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20)
Model A1530*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); FDD-LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20); TD-LTE (Bands 38, 39, 40)

I think that this year any travellers heading out to the US can pick up an iPhone over there and be sure that it will work on any 4G network here. Do you agree?

EDIT: What's the difference between the A1533 (CDMA) and the A1453? It looks likt the A1533 is the best phone to get in that list in order to get as much 4G capability as possible around the world.
 
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trying to decide to either hang on untill iphone 6 or get this iphne 5s,i currently have the 4s so not to sure if i will see a big difference to be honest espically with the new ios coming out it maybe enough to refresh the phone enough to keep me happy until iphone 6.
hmmm what to do.....
 
chris-82 said:
trying to decide to either hang on untill iphone 6 or get this iphne 5s,i currently have the 4s so not to sure if i will see a big difference to be honest espically with the new ios coming out it maybe enough to refresh the phone enough to keep me happy until iphone 6.
hmmm what to do.....
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Keep until the 6. The big changes happen on the next model, not the sub model so I would wait, 4S is more then enough juice for the ios7.
 
I'm tempted for several reasons.

1) Got Vodafone 4G promise
2) Corporate discount via work for Vodafone
3) Hoping battery life is better than my iPhone 5

My wife's 4S is good and we'll upgrade hers next year to the potential 6 and then go from there.

Got an iPad retina 3G too, but that rarely gets used these days off wifi.
 
I'm really curious to see just how good of a job Apple have done in implementing this fingerprint recognition system, because it can easily be done wrong or at least to a mediocre standard. I have a hunch that this might not be the slam dunk 'just works' feature it looks on paper, but fair play if we don't see any widespread issues with the new tech.

For the security conscious this + PIN would be better so I hope they present that as an option.
 
theheyes said:
I'm really curious to see just how good of a job Apple have done in implementing this fingerprint recognition system, because it can easily be done wrong or at least to a mediocre standard. I have a hunch that this might not be the slam dunk 'just works' feature it looks on paper, but fair play if we don't see any widespread issues with the new tech.

For the security conscious this + PIN would be better so I hope they present that as an option.
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The tech is very reliable, if reports are to be believed.

Also, you have to configure a passcode to set up the touch ID access. If you do this, the passcode can be used to unlock the phone. However, if you lose the phone the phone instigates a 48hr wait period before the passcode grants access.

This is to stop thieves stealing phones and bypassing the fingerprint access.
 
EVH said:
The tech is very reliable, if reports are to be believed.

Also, you have to configure a passcode to set up the touch ID access. If you do this, the passcode can be used to unlock the phone. However, if you lose the phone the phone instigates a 48hr wait period before the passcode grants access.

This is to stop thieves stealing phones and bypassing the fingerprint access.
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If you are using fingerprint mainly then change the phone setting for the passcode for the long version, with 3 mistakes for self wipe.
 
Raymond Lin said:
If you are using fingerprint mainly then change the phone setting for the passcode for the long version, with 3 mistakes for self wipe.
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You don't have children do you? If I did that, my daughter (3) would wipe my phone within a day :D

I'm happy with using fingerprint access and the default passcode option. At least I can log on to iCloud and remotely wipe the device or trigger the 48hr lockout and give myself time to track it.
 
EVH said:
You don't have children do you? If I did that, my daughter (3) would wipe my phone within a day :D

I'm happy with using fingerprint access and the default passcode option. At least I can log on to iCloud and remotely wipe the device or trigger the 48hr lockout and give myself time to track it.
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Nope! :p
 
Raymond Lin said:
Nope! :p
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Tip: you know when they're up to something because all goes quiet.

I was getting ready for work last week and she was quiet.. Found her taking pictures of her foot lol

My wife has frequently had to delete 20 pictures at a time!
 
EVH said:
Tip: you know when they're up to something because all goes quiet.

I was getting ready for work last week and she was quiet.. Found her taking pictures of her foot lol

My wife has frequently had to delete 20 pictures at a time!
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It'll be fun with the burst mode :D
 
EVH said:
The tech is very reliable, if reports are to be believed.

Also, you have to configure a passcode to set up the touch ID access. If you do this, the passcode can be used to unlock the phone. However, if you lose the phone the phone instigates a 48hr wait period before the passcode grants access.

This is to stop thieves stealing phones and bypassing the fingerprint access.
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So the passcode, which I assume by default is a PIN, is the master key? If I know your passcode and physically access your device without you knowing, can I unlock your iPhone?

To me, with regards to accessing the device, that puts the feature firmly in the convenience category rather than the security even though it's being pushed as the latter.

That's not to say there aren't any security benefits, I just think it's important people scrutinize it a little. If it gets people adding a security layer to their phone who otherwise wouldn't bother then that's a good thing.
 
theheyes said:
So the passcode, which I assume by default is a PIN, is the master key? If I know your passcode and physically access your device without you knowing, can I unlock your iPhone?

To me, with regards to accessing the device, that puts the feature firmly in the convenience category rather than the security even though it's being pushed as the latter.

That's not to say there aren't any security benefits, I just think it's important people scrutinize it a little. If it gets people adding a security layer to their phone who otherwise wouldn't bother then that's a good thing.
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Yes, and if there is an option to remove access by Passcode (after setting up fingerprint) then this won't matter.
 
I looked at the release and subsequent reviews for both phones. As an iPhone 5 owner (and previous owner of 3, 3GS, 4 and 4S) I'm just completely uninspired by the 5S.

That doesn't mean the 5S isn't a good phone, but on the journey that Apple has taken me and that I've bought into this just is a long way short of the step I'd expected.

5C? I don't care. The g/f might have one but she's looking to make her first step to touch screen and there are better, cheaper options available for a casual user. This isn't a 'value' iPhone model.

5S? Faster, but my 5 doesn't worry about speed. Colours? Not enough to make me change. Fingerprint? Probably won't be a gimmick in the future but is now, not enough to make me upgrade. 120 fps video? The same level of innovation as the original Siri - fun for a week but then rarely used.

Apple has delighted me in previous years, disappointed me in recent years and now has downright disillusioned me this year.

They're no longer innovating.
 
The_Abyss said:
They're no longer innovating.
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What would you have liked to have seen? Mobile tech in general at the moment has hit a bit of a ceiling, Samsung have the same issue.

Assuming it works extremely well, I'd say biometrics is innovation to some degree, it's the first real and fast implementation of it on a phone, and it's something the vast majority of people would use.
 
The_Abyss said:
I looked at the release and subsequent reviews for both phones. As an iPhone 5 owner (and previous owner of 3, 3GS, 4 and 4S) I'm just completely uninspired by the 5S.

That doesn't mean the 5S isn't a good phone, but on the journey that Apple has taken me and that I've bought into this just is a long way short of the step I'd expected.

5C? I don't care. The g/f might have one but she's looking to make her first step to touch screen and there are better, cheaper options available for a casual user. This isn't a 'value' iPhone model.

5S? Faster, but my 5 doesn't worry about speed. Colours? Not enough to make me change. Fingerprint? Probably won't be a gimmick in the future but is now, not enough to make me upgrade. 120 fps video? The same level of innovation as the original Siri - fun for a week but then rarely used.

Apple has delighted me in previous years, disappointed me in recent years and now has downright disillusioned me this year.

They're no longer innovating.
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Replace the word fingerprint with Siri. It is exactly the same with 4 to 4S but that didn't stop you did it? :p
 
Raymond Lin said:
Yes, and if there is an option to remove access by Passcode (after setting up fingerprint) then this won't matter.
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I wouldn't trust the fingerprint recognition to be the sole method of access - even offering this option would be really bold on Apple's part in my opinion. The key takeaway is if you want to take advantage of the fingerprint recognition to improve your security, start with using a strong passcode and not a PIN.

Apple are not using the best fingerprint recognition available, which poses the question; is their implementation "good enough"? It's almost impossible to tell without the device being in the hands of users over an extended period of time, since that's the only true test of reliability. But I imagine any glaring deficiencies would be picked up on very quickly.

There is the potential here for another Apple maps-style disaster, but if the technology proves reliable enough then they deserve quite a bit of credit for being one of the first to market with this sort of thing.
 
theheyes said:
I wouldn't trust the fingerprint recognition to be the sole method of access - ....... if the technology proves reliable enough then they deserve quite a bit of credit for being one of the first to market with this sort of thing.
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Why don't we wait and see :)

It's only a week away !
 
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