*** The Official Samsung Galaxy S4 Thread ***

Take the rosey specs off, Photoshop. The stock score for the i9505 was always around 25-26k in antutu 3 (search this thread) - it was never as low as 22k. That only shows how poor foxhound 1.2 was, if anything. Also, antutu 4 scores have increased about 3k across the board. 28k is right where the i9505 should be, so at least in terms of antutu scores, all that bloat stripping and refining has achieved nothing.
 
fornowagain said:
Guess you'll find out. Flash CWM, get it all wiped, reset, format SD. Make sure it all works. Back it up, put a copy on your PC and off you go. MH8 stuff should be straight forward, just for laughs you should be able to any use cyanogenmod, google-edition, aosp based as well :)
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Awesome, well I'll see how it goes, I'll wait till I've got an SD Card first before I go flashing.

One thing I've noticed since rescuing the phone, I woke up this morning to find a shed load of apps on my phone, it seems like Google Play was proceeding to download the entire collection of apps in "My App"???

This has never happened before and I'm unsure how to stop it, the phone is filled with junk now from HTC Sensation days.
 
Go into your play account and delete all the old apps. It's a right PITA but worth it.

Although it should only be restoring apps you last had installed when it backed up to google, would that be back when the sensation was around?
 
james.miller said:
Take the rosey specs off, Photoshop. The stock score for the i9505 was always around 25-26k in antutu 3 (search this thread) - it was never as low as 22k. That only shows how poor foxhound 1.2 was, if anything. Also, antutu 4 scores have increased about 3k across the board. 28k is right where the i9505 should be, so at least in terms of antutu scores, all that bloat stripping and refining has achieved nothing.
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Why should I take them off?

Why don't you post a benchmark score of the ROM your on? Let's see how good PROBAM/PACMAN and the other non touchwizz based roms are for comparison then because they should be well over 30k judging by your analysis as they contain 0% bloatware....

Your also forgetting that the kernal has a lot to do with benchmarks score and speed/performance.

Just because you use and prefer AOSP/AOKP based roms does not mean you have to bash TW based roms. Your constantly bashing them and i've noticed your bias in this thread.
 
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photoshop said:
Why should I take them off?

Why don't you post a benchmark score of the ROM your on? Let's see how good PACMAN and the other non touchwizz based rims are for comparison then because they should be well over 30k by your analysis and they contain 0% bloatware....
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Whats the point, Benchmarks mean nothing.
 
james.miller said:
Take the rosey specs off, Photoshop. The stock score for the i9505 was always around 25-26k in antutu 3 (search this thread) - it was never as low as 22k. That only shows how poor foxhound 1.2 was, if anything. Also, antutu 4 scores have increased about 3k across the board. 28k is right where the i9505 should be, so at least in terms of antutu scores, all that bloat stripping and refining has achieved nothing.
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This is true, however due to thermal throttling it will only achieve these scores after being idle a while or while in a freezer.

Usually after 1-2 runs the scores start to dip, that's why the average you find on most benchmarks for the Galaxy S4 is much lower than the max scores.

So do these numbers really matter? not really because it can't maintain this performance for very long, sad but true.
 
photoshop said:
james.miller said:
Take the rosey specs off, Photoshop. The stock score for the i9505 was always around 25-26k in antutu 3 (search this thread) - it was never as low as 22k. That only shows how poor foxhound 1.2 was, if anything. Also, antutu 4 scores have increased about 3k across the board. 28k is right where the i9505 should be, so at least in terms of antutu scores, all that bloat stripping and refining has achieved nothing.
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Why should I take them off?

Why don't you post a benchmark score of the ROM your on? Let's see how good PROBAM/PACMAN and the other non touchwizz based roms are for comparison then because they should be well over 30k judging by your analysis as they contain 0% bloatware....
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* The post you quoted told you what the scores should be. I'll post a screenshot from Pacman but it will only confirm what i said in my previous post ; 28k is about right in antutu 4.
Here's the screenshot:
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* I never said non-TW roms should be any better? why would they be? the GE roms arent?
* In case you are missing the point, the samsung bloat does very little to affect antutu scores. You can compare stock scores with GE scores to prove that much. Real world usage will be different of course but Antutu doesnt measure that. So if the bloat doesnt affect the scores much, then removing it wont either. And it doesnt, clearly.

Your also forgetting that the kernal has a lot to do with benchmarks score and speed/performance.
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In my experience the kernels are making very little difference without overclocking. Do you know differently then?

Just because you use and prefer AOSP/AOKP based roms does not mean you have to bash TW based roms. Your constantly bashing them and i've noticed your bias in this thread.
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bashing *them*? Nope, only foxhound. Not sure why you would think my dislike for foxhound extended to all TW roms? That's monumentally far-fetched, itsn't it? No, this isnt about me, it's about your blinkered appreciation for foxhound which is leading to your fabrication of 'facts' and you getting bent out of shape whenever I have something bad to say about it. If you dont like what I'm saying, then prove me wrong and I'll retract it.

This is true, however due to thermal throttling it will only achieve these scores after being idle a while or while in a freezer.
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True enough we should only be comparing the first couple of runs.

Whats the point, Benchmarks mean nothing.
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It's only useful to make sure everything is ticking along nicely and the performance is in the right ballpark. Beyond that, it's pretty pointless.
 
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photoshop said:
Your also forgetting that the kernal has a lot to do with benchmarks score and speed/performance.

Just because you use and prefer AOSP/AOKP based roms does not mean you have to bash TW based roms. Your constantly bashing them and i've noticed your bias in this thread.
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I've disagreed with james allot in the past but I do sort of agree with him here.

The touchwiz roms are horrible, the animations and transitions are not as smooth as ASOP and they have occasional stutter just to remind you your using touchwiz.

I've tried many different roms and kernels and none of them fix this, kernel can drastically effect some benchmark results like quadrant but it's a meaningless benchmark, in stuff like Antutu 4, 3dmark and GLBenchmark they make almost no difference at all.

The only rom's I would consider using are CM10 or ASOP based roms based of the Google Play Edition.

EDIT: Just too add, 28k is bang on for the i9505, just ran Antutu 4 on a stock rom and scored 28118.
 
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The touchwiz roms are horrible, the animations and transitions are not as smooth as ASOP and they have occasional stutter just to remind you your using touchwiz.
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It's almost funny you guys are arguing about this as, only a few days ago I went from PACman ROM back to Foxhound 1.8, due to the camera not functioning properly on PAC for me.

I lasted 3 days and couldn't stand the poor performance of Foxhound, stuttering far too often. Last night I flashed back to PACman build 1... so fluid. :) Also, the camera seems to work perfectly for me now too :)
 
AndyCr15 said:
I lasted 3 days and couldn't stand the poor performance of Foxhound, stuttering far too often. Last night I flashed back to PACman build 1... so fluid. :) Also, the camera seems to work perfectly for me now too :)
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Oooo :cool: - soo looking forward to flashing 4.3 PAC.
 
AndyCr15 said:
It's almost funny you guys are arguing about this as, only a few days ago I went from PACman ROM back to Foxhound 1.8, due to the camera not functioning properly on PAC for me.

I lasted 3 days and couldn't stand the poor performance of Foxhound, stuttering far too often. Last night I flashed back to PACman build 1... so fluid. :) Also, the camera seems to work perfectly for me now too :)
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I'm using jamal2367's 4.3 S4 Google Edition rom atm, loving it. :D
 
AndyCr15 said:
It's almost funny you guys are arguing about this as, only a few days ago I went from PACman ROM back to Foxhound 1.8, due to the camera not functioning properly on PAC for me.

I lasted 3 days and couldn't stand the poor performance of Foxhound, stuttering far too often. Last night I flashed back to PACman build 1... so fluid. :) Also, the camera seems to work perfectly for me now too :)
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2 things that I would like to know before I switch to a non TW rom:

Battery life (I can get 2 days if Im careful on FH 1.5)
Camera quality (TW roms take great photos, are non-TW rom any different?).

(Particularly interested in Pacman rom)
 
Scope said:
2 things that I would like to know before I switch to a non TW rom:

Battery life (I can get 2 days if Im careful on FH 1.5)
Camera quality (TW roms take great photos, are non-TW rom any different?).

(Particularly interested in Pacman rom)
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battery life is the same really. But if the camera is important then dont move to a non-TW rom - none of the camera apps are as good as samsungs.
 
james.miller said:
battery life is the same really. But if the camera is important then dont move to a non-TW rom - none of the camera apps are as good as samsungs.
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Thanks, yes Camera is important.. I find myself using the DSLR and even the compact camera less and less, the quality of the S4 is that good..

Is the actual quality worse, or just the functionality of the software? (I imagine the Samsung software can easily get more out of the chip if they wanted to).
 
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