LibDem Conference - Clegg's speech

Dolph said:
I guess whether you see equality depends on what type of equality you are looking for. If you are looking for equality of outcome or equality of opportunity via enforced baselining (such as very high tax rates or banning of private schools or healthcare) then you won't find them under liberal. If you are looking for equality of treatment then you will do.
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The only thing I can say on this is that your examples, still, display a false dichotomy or understanding. Or willingness to openly, and rationally, discuss social and economic policy.
 
You guys are missing the point, Nick has highlighted the main problem facing the future generations in the UK that could wreck the recovery. And what's more Nick has the solution ... people will need to pay 5p for all those millions of plastic bags. Cameron, Osborne, Millipede, Carney and Farage don't even have a workable policy on plastic bags.

Clegg has also increased uni fees and so has fixed yet another massive problem. Apparently there are some minor issues around housing and 1,000,000 young unemployed, inflation and immigration but at least the main issue of plastic bags is sorted.
 
Housing part of Andrew Marr's interview of Nick Clegg is here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24099422

He really seems to think the problem is lack of supply only, not fraudulent mortgage credit and negative real interest rates for years. or encouraging a buy-to-let epidemic. or unlimited mass immigration.

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Astonishing chutzpah from Clegg to act like the coalition absolute trainwreck of an economic policy is responsible for what little growth we've finally managed.

Terrible leader of a terrible party. Would not vote for again.
 
scorza said:
What did he lie about?
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No Tuition Fees
Coalition deal was Boundary Changes in exchange for an AV referendum. When he lost that he claimed it was for Lords Reform
Promised an EU referendum before the election. Now opposes one
Put more police on the beat - has rubber-stamped budget cuts
Claimed not to know about allegations of harassment against several party members including Lord Rennard
Denied being a member of the Conservative association at University - there's documented proof that he was
Promised to help pass laws on right of recall for corrupt politicians


Can probably find more on Google...
 
covenantuk said:
No Tuition Fees
Coalition deal was Boundary Changes in exchange for an AV referendum. When he lost that he claimed it was for Lords Reform
Promised an EU referendum before the election. Now opposes one
Put more police on the beat - has rubber-stamped budget cuts
Claimed not to know about allegations of harassment against several party members including Lord Rennard
Denied being a member of the Conservative association at University - there's documented proof that he was
Promised to help pass laws on right of recall for corrupt politicians


Can probably find more on Google...
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Most of those (including tuition fees) are LibDem manifesto pledges. Manifesto pledges are generally on condition of winning a general election - the LibDems didn't, they had to join a coalition and negotiate and compromise about what parts of their manifesto would become law - usually the more MPs you have the more of your manifesto you get into the coalition. Naturally a lot of things didn't make it into the coalition agreement. Those things shouldn't be held as examples of broken promises.
 
scorza said:
1. Inheritance tax cuts for millionaires
2.Bringing back O’ levels and a two-tier education system
3. Profit-making in schools
4. New childcare ratios
5. Firing workers at will, without any reasons given
6. Regional pay penalising public sector workers in the north
7. Scrapping housing benefit for young people
8. 'Ditching the Human Rights Act - I would take the rest of the list for this gladly :(
9. Weakening the protections in the Equalities Act
10. Closing down the debate on Trident
11. ‘Go home’ poster vans
12. Boundary changes
13. Scrap Natural England
14. Hold back green energy
15. Geography teachers to stop teaching children about how we can tackle climate change
16. Snoopers' charter
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I'd be quite happy to take another lib dem / Tory coalition next general election as I'm in support of the conservatives yet I also like the fact that they have some competition able to put a stop to the more extremist side of the party.

Also, surely this coalition is one of the most democraticly fair results ever as 10.7 millions vote were fore the conservatives and 6.8 millions were for the lib dems against 8.6 for labour. So 2/3 of all voters in the last general election ended up getting who they voted for elected.
 
I think I might be alone in all this but I actually like coallition government and think it's good for the country. It applies a natural balance to the bigger parties removing some of their more radical ideas from the table and holding us in a more stable middle ground position. Would Blair have got away with growing the welfare state like a field of GM grain if he had been in coalition? Would thatcher have been able to destroy the countries heavy industry with a lib dem by her side?

I live in Nick Cleggs constituency and had a year or so ago decided I would never vote for him again after he turned his back on Sheffield (the city he is supposed to represent) and let the Conservatives cancel forgemasters loan straight after the election but I can now feel myself leaning back towards a lib dem vote just to try and keep us a country ruled by coalition and agreement rather than single party politics.

Scotland is a great example the devolved government worked well until one party got a majority and now it is a total mess of partisan nonsense.
 
King Damager said:
1. Inheritance tax cuts for millionaires - A way to gain votes, few will care about
2.Bringing back O’ levels and a two-tier education system - Not going to happen - see previous education promises
3. Profit-making in schools - So long as it doesn't cause any diminishing in education quality, or increase in cost, there's no issue here
4. New childcare ratios - Needs expanding
5. Firing workers at will, without any reasons given - Good for labour mobility from a company perspective, bad from the perspective of the workforce - this exists to gain company support
6. Regional pay penalising public sector workers in the north - Why not, they tend to earn less privately, and also general living costs are less in the North. Seems a sensible way to save some money
7. Scrapping housing benefit for young people - Don't like this one, although it could have it's advantages. Generally feel like this is incredible agist
8. 'Ditching the Human Rights Act - Can't do it
9. Weakening the protections in the Equalities Act - Unlikely to be able to do it
10. Closing down the debate on Trident - Closing down the debate. Well that's stupid, that just means deciding what to actually do
11. ‘Go home’ poster vans - Waste of money, not going to happen
12. Boundary changes - It helps gain votes
13. Scrap Natural England - This'll lose votes
14. Hold back green energy - As will this - although the switch over to renewable fuels is inevitable no matter what he does. Just research can speed it up
15. Geography teachers to stop teaching children about how we can tackle climate change -Never going to happen, the big brotherness of this is stupid
16. Snoopers' charter - Should probably research this before commenting

If Clegg wants to win votes, he needs to be Blair. Labour are going back to the Left, the Tories are going back out to the right. He needs to fill the middle ground, and it'll bring him votes galore.

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You realise those are things that he says he's blocked, right?
 
I think Clegg, Cameron and the coalition as a whole are doing a pretty good job. Hopefully they can form another government at the next general election and we can get 5 more years.
 
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