Steam reveal

RoganTheGypo said:
If a performance boost from a free OS isn't enough to move 'core' gamers over to steamOS then you can sit in the dying MS gaming camp.

Still waiting to see if its true or not.

Steams moving in to the living room because the PC gaming community is dying, for the 5th year in a row.

Well thats just complete nonsense

Consoles are growing, Valve know they arn't a hardware company so they are meeting in the gaming community in the middle. A big powerful computer tucked away and a nice little device beaming all your console style games to your TV. It's aimed at the more casual gamer, like me.

What you need is a console

I didn't build a PC for a long while because I don't have the room in my house to put a PC desk in etc, I eventually made one and replaced windows 8 shell with big picture (I've got a yootoob vid on it) Now I happily sit in my living room playing all the dotas!

Look at it this way, you can use a multi purpose OS for gaming, or a OS designed with gaming in mind, to deliver the best performance and the best gaming platform in the world. Everything else comes second.

I can use a game only OS or an OS that does everything

Valve have sent shockwaves across the gaming world,

now i think you work for valve

even Nvidia have changed their stance on Linux and have offered the team that deal with Nvidia Linux ported drivers assistance with documentation supply, granted most if is stuff they already know but it shows willing. They've made a debugger giving no excuse not to develop for Linux, they also fixed activision's problems when they ported source over to linux (both source and CoD engine are modded quake 3 enignes) I think we'll see a lot of AAA titles hit steamOS, it looks good on their list and if Valve are as clever as we think they are, they'll charge a little less to sell games over steam that support SteamOS.

You can turn your nose up at all the other features offered but if your a gamer and you wont go to a free operating system that gives you better performance ingame then your a stubborn brain washed fool who happily lets MS bum love you for all your hard earned pennys. All my love Valve
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RoganTheGypo said:
A big powerful computer tucked away and a nice little device beaming all your console style games to your TV. It's aimed at the more casual gamer, like me.
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This is the bit where I think it sort of comes unstuck. I'd say a typical casual gamer won't have a big powerful computer.
 
I read a few things:

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2009/03/03/just-how-many-pc-gamers-are-there
(old article but estimates between 100 to 400m, though he believes it's closer to 400m, PC gamers and that the number could double in 10 years)

Again another older article (2011) but it sums it up pretty well:

http://www.destructoid.com/pc-vs-console-gaming-infographic-pc-is-making-a-comeback-212611.phtml

You've got to think of games such as WoW which have around 9 million subscribers for that one game, let alone the rest of them.



M.
 
m4cc45 said:
They generally are as long as you buy them pre-release - I picked up Windows 7 HP for £40 and Windows 8 for the same amount. The model moving forward is to make them very cheap as well.



M.
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Pre-ordering them isn't really generally though, as most of the time they're much more expensive.

Unless you're telling people to only get themselves into a situation where they need an OS every 3 years.

Either way, a lot of the SteamOS thing is marketing and people are spilling their load.

a lot of the performance games are a more efficient renderer than the DX9 used, if you used DX11 to replicate effects, you'd also gain performance.
 
Longbow said:
Rubbish, provide evidence if you want to make such a statement.
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However, despite the service's popularity, it is currently reliant on something of a sinking ship, argued Computer and Video Games' associate editor Rob Crossley.

"Valve is a very successful growing company within a market that is shrinking," he told the BBC.

"PC sales are falling, falling, falling. They've been falling for five quarters in a row now.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24207129
 
qotsa said:
A lot of mention of streaming games across LAN, is this actually a confirmed feature?
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Yep, from the announcement:

"You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!"
 
maxilive said:
Yep, from the announcement:

"You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!"
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Ok, nice. Dual-boot it is :cool:
 
Longbow said:
Numbers?

And a decrease in numbers does not mean dying.
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I didn't say it was dying and the guy that claimed the market had shrunk continuously for the last five years was exaggerating or misread a similar article to the one I quoted.


But clearly Valve have a better idea of the numbers than most if they do, in deed, have 75% of the market. Otherwise they'd be churning out games and not trying to move into other markets. The casual market is the one that's growing or the free to play sector, something else Valve have moved into.

To me, most of Valves output for the last few years has been geared towards moving away from games production and into gaming tools. These gaming tools they provide for free pay for themselves by being integrated into Steam, so they get a share of other games revenue, rather than producing games themselves. If they'd carried on down that route they'd either be bankrupt or milking their franchises for all it's worth and just be another Ubisoft or EA.

Only time will tell if they've made the right choice.
 
I wonder if they will reveal some kind of OnLive model, where for a monthly fee you can have unlimited access to almost the entire Steam library (obviously not for new releases). I thought that was a nice feature of OnLive with their PlayPass.
 
ic1male said:
I wonder if they will reveal some kind of OnLive model, where for a monthly fee you can have unlimited access to almost the entire Steam library (obviously not for new releases). I thought that was a nice feature of OnLive with their PlayPass.
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Can't see that happening, tbh. Too much of a legal minefield. Just look at all the online music services vs the record industry. Not a week goes by without the record industry(s) taking some provider or other to court over royalty rates.

The pay-per-license model is much less complicated.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/steamos-steam-box-reference-design-source-2-half-life-3,24388.html

supposed Steam employee said:
"If you were wondering what Nvidia was unveiling soon that wasn't a video card, this is it. They're the first choice for Steam Box hardware. (We even set it up so that it rains on AMD's video card announcement, kek). Expect extremely good Linux drivers from them over the next few months. AMD is… hesitant to comment.
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If that statement is by an actual Valve employee,then sorry I am out,and I have a GTX660. How mature then,especially when AMD makes up around 40% of the discrete card market,and with their IGPs has greater marketshare than Nvidia.

What is the point,when a Windows license will give you years of usage for around 70 quid(you can still run DX11 games on Vista which is 7 years old for example),and simply has better hardware support?? Windows 7 and Windows 8 were dirt cheap at launch. People spend way more on hardware over 5 to 7 years than the OS they use.

I want hardware choice in my DIY builds,which is the main reason I do them,not a Hobsons choice,which ends up potentially costing me more.
 
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