Taking DNA from birth

bitslice said:
Yes it is, its defaming someone's charactor and in a legal sense it's an offence. It wouldn't fracking annoy me so blinking much if I agreed would it?

It really pees me off that so many in here read what they want a post to say according to their own prejudices and then run with it, and every day I have to sit there and correct their retarded assumptions rather than furthering my point :mad: Total waste of fracking time

Still wrong
"Based on - ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status"

Criticising aspects of a culture isn't bigoted.
Criticising aspects of a religion isn't bigoted.

In fact criticising anything is always giving people the public right to reply, you can't get more liberal than that.

I can hardly criticise aspects someone was born with, how are they supposed to reply to that?

Then you must just quote and run, otherwise we would have had this out by now.

Hardly... some days I'm a Communist

Liberalism I have nothing against, it's the politically correct denigration of existing culture that I dislike, one person's freedom is often at the expense of another's.

Dengrating people in unrelated threads purely because you don't like someone would be a good thing to cut out, eh? I don't follow all the lib-tards around the forum and call them stupid, I call them out in the thread they posted in with why I think they are wrong. Invariably they go quiet after the second post.
Calling me a racist and a bigot in a thread about DNA is off topic, completely unrelated and frankly completely out of order, if you are not embarrassed at such pointless and fallacious abuse then we don't have a lot to say to each other. Good job at pointlessly derailing someone's thread too, mods must be sleeping today.
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Lol, i just finished reading your comments and was like.......the frack did this come from, why have we started talking about racism and communism...etc and then i read the end. I think the filty chinchilla is just looking to fight and is trying (very badly) to get people to agree with him :D
 
Sounds ace until one of the lizards needs a new liver or kidney and they come in the night as you're a perfect match....
 
The NHS already has the infrastructure in place to take DNA samples at birth.

All babies are given a blood test to check for phenylketonuria.

It would be non trivial for them to take a few drops more for a DNA database.
 
bitslice said:
Yes it is, its defaming someone's charactor and in a legal sense it's an offence. It wouldn't fracking annoy me so blinking much if I agreed would it?
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We're not in a bloody court. If the statements are true, then you can't really criticise them.

bitslice said:
It really pees me off that so many in here read what they want a post to say according to their own prejudices and then run with it, and every day I have to sit there and correct their retarded assumptions rather than furthering my point :mad: Total waste of fracking time
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Well it's up to you if you want to argue, but perhaps you aren't putting your points across in the way you think you are?

bitslice said:
Still wrong
"Based on - ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status"

Criticising aspects of a culture isn't bigoted.
Criticising aspects of a religion isn't bigoted.
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You missed ethnicity.

bitslice said:
In fact criticising anything is always giving people the public right to reply, you can't get more liberal than that.

I can hardly criticise aspects someone was born with, how are they supposed to reply to that?

Then you must just quote and run, otherwise we would have had this out by now.

Hardly... some days I'm a Communist
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I find that hard to believe.

bitslice said:
Liberalism I have nothing against, it's the politically correct denigration of existing culture that I dislike, one person's freedom is often at the expense of another's.

Dengrating people in unrelated threads purely because you don't like someone would be a good thing to cut out, eh? I don't follow all the lib-tards around the forum and call them stupid, I call them out in the thread they posted in with why I think they are wrong. Invariably they go quiet after the second post.
Calling me a racist and a bigot in a thread about DNA is off topic, completely unrelated and frankly completely out of order, if you are not embarrassed at such pointless and fallacious abuse then we don't have a lot to say to each other. Good job at pointlessly derailing someone's thread too, mods must be sleeping today.
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I don't follow you around the forum. When I see something I disagree with, I say. With regards to the degeneration of culture, it's called change. We don't have the culture we did 2000 or 1000 years ago. Things change, and we have to move with it. Obviously, if you want to resist something, then by all means, but often change must just be embraced.

It was off topic, and perhaps misplaced, but I don't disagree with anything I said. You're right though, certainly not the place to argue. Perhaps the mods don't have issues with my posts, or I would have been suspended.

Hopefully we can just end this here and I'll ensure that I pick up on issues I have with you when they're relevant.

I apologise for ****ing you off in this way though, that wasn't my intention.

Also, fracking is a gas extraction process...
 
They already harvest it during the Td/IPV 3 in 1 and give our DNA to Lizard aliens as part of an interstellar agreement to maintain peace in this part of the milky way galaxy.

They are among us. They have infiltrated society and hold many key posts in its infrastructure, Be careful what you say. Trust no one.
 
Efour said:
They already harvest it during the Td/IPV 3 in 1 and give our DNA to Lizard aliens as part of an interstellar agreement to maintain peace in this part of the milky way galaxy.

They are among us. They have infiltrated society and hold many key posts in its infrastructure, Be careful what you say. Trust no one.
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ahhh so that's why david cameron looks so creepy
 
Interesting divide. I didn't realise so many people would think the government would misuse the information. I just don't buy that they would let it be used for anything sinister.
 
TFleming said:
Interesting divide. I didn't realise so many people would think the government would misuse the information. I just don't buy that they would let it be used for anything sinister.
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Have you not been paying attention to how the Police have been abusing their moral authority for years coming to light recently and the government helping cover it up? The big one being the Hillsborough.

Now imagine getting arrested for a crime you had nothing tying you to apart from a DNA match, and how open to corruption that would be.
 
hurfdurf said:
Have you not been paying attention to how the Police have been abusing their moral authority for years coming to light recently and the government helping cover it up? The big one being the Hillsborough.

Now imagine getting arrested for a crime you had nothing tying you to apart from a DNA match, and how open to corruption that would be.
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You can be arrested on that basis already. The only thing a dna database would mean is that if they find someone murdered in the woods and get lots of dna off them, they will quickly be able to search for a match. If it wasn't your dna on the victim and you think someone has hacked the database or whatever, it would be easily verifiable at the time with another dna test.
 
hurfdurf said:
Have you not been paying attention to how the Police have been abusing their moral authority for years coming to light recently and the government helping cover it up? The big one being the Hillsborough.

Now imagine getting arrested for a crime you had nothing tying you to apart from a DNA match, and how open to corruption that would be.
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:rolleyes:

Really? Imagine a close family memeber being murdered and they had the killers DNA but it didn't match any in the database...

You're focusing on such a tiny part of what could happen. Is the 1 in a however many million chance of you getting arrested for a crime you didn't comit really the biggest concern here?
 
UK full of complete sheep as usual I see. Glad there are still plenty of countries that don't have the mentality of total nanny state.

And yes taking the DNA of a human being without their consent (especially when they have done absolutely nothing wrong and have no say in the matter) is disgusting. It's beyond belief how brainwashed people have become
 
AdladUK said:
UK full of complete sheep as usual I see. Glad there are still plenty of countries that don't have the mentality of complete government nanny state.

And yes taking the DNA of a human being without their consent (especially when they have done absolutely nothing wrong and have no say in the matter) is disgusting. It's beyond believe how brainwashed people have become
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No one here is arguing in favour of a nanny state, that is a straw man. We are simply observing the possible benefits of such a system and challenging the other side of the debate to put forward good arguments against it. Thus far, I must say, they have failed to do that.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with being a sheep, in fact this is an UNPOPULAR view. The anti database side of the argument is the POPULAR side. Which would make you the media fed sheep, and me the independent thinker. :cool:
 
Thompson_NCL said:
No one here is arguing in favour of a nanny state, that is a straw man. We are simply observing the possible benefits of such a system and challenging the other side of the debate to put forward good arguments against it. Thus far, I must say, they have failed to do that.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with being a sheep, in fact this is an UNPOPULAR view. The anti database side of the argument is the POPULAR side. Which would make you the media fed sheep, and me the independent thinker. :cool:
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I just read the 1st page and saw overwhelming support of it, that's where the sheep comment was directed. I do hope British people overall have more sense than to accept this, although something tells me it might go through regardless.

As for benefits I think that's a load of rubbish. The loss of privacy and liberty far out way any benefits and it is simply putting people on a path to more control and more compliance conditioning.

I remember a load of reports about how 90% of CCTV footage was completely useless in a court of law. So people get filmed 300+ times a day every where they go and the police spends hundreds of millions for what? The taking your DNA at birth is a similar debate in my view, except the people in question have no say or choice in the matter.

People need to remember it's not just about 1 thing! Now it's your DNA being taken, then it's forced vaccinations, then something else. Of course not all your rights are taken away at once, it happens in stages.

Look how no one even cares any more that all their phone calls are recorded and emails saved in government controlled servers, it's totally nuts. Or how everyone is rejoicing at Apple for bringing out fingerprint scanners embedded into your phone, so now every text you send and website you browse to has your personal identification approval with a time stamp attached. All this weeks after it comes out that the government have complete access of whatever iOS device they so please. I guess people are asking for it
 
Thompson_NCL said:
I fail to see why anyone has a problem with the idea of a DNA database. How exactly can the government misuse that information I wonder?
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You're not familliar with history then I take it?

The UK government are also well known for creating victimless crimes, a DNA database would allow the government to more easily enforce unjust laws.

As it stands there are no benefits for an individual in having the government or anyone else have posession of their DNA, and only potential abuses and exploits.
 
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Another thing... Let's say taking DNA at birth does reduce crime overall (even though no one actually knows since it's never been done)... Then what? We reduce crime by what? 10%? How about we also introduce pre-crime charges and reduce it further? Isn't that the same argument? Won't people be in support of a massive crime reduction for that too?
 
AdladUK said:
I just read the 1st page and saw overwhelming support of it, that's where the sheep comment was directed. I do hope British people overall have more sense than to accept this, although something tells me it might go through regardless.

As for benefits I think that's a load of rubbish. The loss of privacy and liberty far out way any benefits and it is simply putting people on a path to more control and more compliance conditioning.

I remember a load of reports about how 90% of CCTV footage was completely useless in a court of law. So people get filmed 300+ times a day every where they go and the police spends hundreds of millions for what? The taking your DNA at birth is a similar debate in my view, except the people in question have no say or choice in the matter.

People need to remember it's not just about 1 thing! Now it's your DNA being taken, then it's forced vaccinations, then something else. Of course not all your rights are taken away at once, it happens in stages.

Look how no one even cares any more that all their phone calls are recorded and emails saved in government controlled servers, it's totally nuts. Or how everyone is rejoicing at Apple for bringing out fingerprint scanners embedded into your phone, so now every text you send and website you browse to has your personal identification approval with a time stamp attached. All this weeks after it comes out that the government have complete access of whatever iOS device they so please. I guess people are asking for it
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You must be a 9/11 conspiracy believer? Some of these arguments are quite funny, as if the state is ran by robots destined and programmed to ruin the world... but... they can only do it with your DNA! :rolleyes:
 
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