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AMD: R9 290X Will Be "Much Faster Than Titan in Battlefield 4"

So much ridicule they refused to give any indication of how much quicker it is.


Smoke and mirrors bull-crap. I'm all for Mantle, it sounds like a huge breath of fresh air. But last night was turd. They may as well have left it till Novembers Developer summit and done it all in one go.

*Drum roll*...........SOMETHING is coming, hype away....

Although many here will not see it. I expect last night was a roaring success for AMD. Look at the hype they created. Look at the interest, look at the forum activity/posts/threads, look at 30k people watching a live stream at one point. They managed to do this without giving much away. It would have been nice to know more but all they've done is increase the anticipation and interest more i feel.

Mantle was definitely the highlight for me anyway.
 
So much ridicule they refused to give any indication of how much quicker it is.


Smoke and mirrors bull-crap. I'm all for Mantle, it sounds like a huge breath of fresh air. But last night was turd. They may as well have left it till Novembers Developer summit and done it all in one go.

*Drum roll*...........SOMETHING is coming, hype away....

I'd not thought of it like that. Glide used to offer amazing performance with 3DFX cards...hopefully Mantle won't face plant.

Glide/ogl/dx/whatever, this was when 3d accelerators were new, there were competing techs, companies and cpu rendering paths were still an option. Software is not the same, the hardware is not the same, the industry is not the same. Back then there was windows for gaming...... and thats it, today MS is losing market share hand over fist, PC sales are dying, Android is taking off big time. AMD has dropped exclusivity, they will support Android and Linux as much as windows soon. People will be able to get pc's with Android on it in not to long and better linux distro's(more standardised/user friendly/easy ones and preinstalled and ready from the likes of Dell in the future. A universal API that is hardware dependant but platform independant isn't just required, its the best way for AMD to survive, equal support and equal performance platform independant.

SHould AMD and Nvidia only support DX when in 5 years 50+ % of pc sales could be Android or Linux rather than Windows... that is a huge gamble to take.


We need low level hardware access for better leveraging of the available performance, that is great for. Nvidia need their own version, if it's all essentially openGL based then hopefully if game 1 is Gaming Evolved it can run Mantle but Nvidia users can run the normal openGL path, and vice versa.
 
Not sure why the whole Hawaii event was done when they were not even unveiling a flagship part properly.

Not watched it, but without 290X information I do not intend to either. :/

So much ridicule they refused to give any indication of how much quicker it is.

This WASN'T a launch, it never was, EVERY single generation of gpu's AMD and Nvidia hold these MEDIA and industry events which let people know the direction they are going and what is going on for the tech.

They didn't give away performance not because it's bad but because it isn't and never was a launch. A bunch of people incorrectly thought it was a launch then think something went weird or AMD did a bad presentation. This wasn't for you, this is for reporters, media and dev's(generally smaller ones, bigger ones are well in on this stuff years in advance).

This is how these events go, it wasn't out of the ordinary, Nvidia does the same thing, as do Intel. Why did the AMD guy only expect 5k people watching, because it's a media thing and the stream was for media who couldn't afford to get out to Hawaii for events like these.

THe first thing like this I went to was now, over a decade ago, x800xt maybe, small media event in London, hotel, telling us details, letting us see the card, ask a few questions. Talking about dx/opengl/what new things it can do. There were ZERO numbers, no benchmarks, not even any running demos or machines.

The only people who were disappointed were those who hyped up the event in their own minds into something it wasn't.

Anandtech will do a review with benchmarks, every image that shows how some new tech works and has the tech summed up for non tech people to understand.... ALL that information comes from a day like AMD did yesterday for media. They do this for the media, then the media condenses it, gets cards to test and puts it together for a review when the launch happens.
 
Mantle shouldn't be specific to any GPU, just like DirectX and OpenGL.

From the little we know Mantle sounds a lot like 3DFX's glide API which allowed developers to code directly to 3DFX's voodoo hardware as far as I know glide only supported 3DFX products.

More importantly AMD aren't wasting anytime in leveraging the product lineup placement advantage to it's full advantage.
 
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surely it won't take long for nv to adapt titan for mantle too?

Mantle is a low-level API. That is - it's highly specific to the architecture it's running on. By its very definition, Nvidia and Intel hardware (and older AMD hardware that's not based on GCN) will not be able to use it. You will never see an Nvidia card running on Mantle.

The closest that Nvidia could come is to write their own hardware-specific low-level API. The difficultly will be in getting game developers to adopt it... Mantle may have some success in multi-platform gaming, due to the tie-in with the API used on both consoles. Nvidia would have no such advantage, and would need to provide a lot of support to developers in order to implement it (as they currently do with PhysX).



I'm still not convinced that Mantle will take off though. Low level APIs are great for consoles, where the hardware is fixed and never changes. On the PC however, with near-infinite combinations of CPUs, motherboards, memory (etc) available, and very different levels of GPU performance, it will be much more difficult to optimise and to eliminate bugs.

We'll see how it goes, but the very reason that high-level APIs like DX11 exist is so that the same code can be run across multiple platforms. By tailoring an API to one specific GPU architecture you eliminate one of the variables, but there are still many more that remain.
 
^^^^

Just owned the thread drunkenmaster

It does amuse me that people are expecting some kind of benchmark presentation from these events (though to be fair they could do something like that :p)

I thought the presentation was fine too, some of the parts where utterly cringe-worthy, but then so many release conferences seem to be, i'd love a straight up presentation, by someone who has good charisma and is designed for these things, as opposed to heads of the business trying to present and feeling awkward.
 
Remember the hype marketeers were in a similar frenzy when Piledriver and Bulldozer came out...underwhelmed everyone then too...until I see independent benchmarks, I'll not be believing anything that is said by AMD.
 
This WASN'T a launch, it never was, EVERY single generation of gpu's AMD and Nvidia hold these MEDIA and industry events which let people know the direction they are going and what is going on for the tech.

They didn't give away performance not because it's bad but because it isn't and never was a launch. A bunch of people incorrectly thought it was a launch then think something went weird or AMD did a bad presentation. This wasn't for you, this is for reporters, media and dev's(generally smaller ones, bigger ones are well in on this stuff years in advance).

This is how these events go, it wasn't out of the ordinary, Nvidia does the same thing, as do Intel. Why did the AMD guy only expect 5k people watching, because it's a media thing and the stream was for media who couldn't afford to get out to Hawaii for events like these.

THe first thing like this I went to was now, over a decade ago, x800xt maybe, small media event in London, hotel, telling us details, letting us see the card, ask a few questions. Talking about dx/opengl/what new things it can do. There were ZERO numbers, no benchmarks, not even any running demos or machines.

The only people who were disappointed were those who hyped up the event in their own minds into something it wasn't.

Anandtech will do a review with benchmarks, every image that shows how some new tech works and has the tech summed up for non tech people to understand.... ALL that information comes from a day like AMD did yesterday for media. They do this for the media, then the media condenses it, gets cards to test and puts it together for a review when the launch happens.

They also said at the beginning of the event, on stage "This is not a launch, this is a preview" or words to that affect.
 
Remember the hype marketeers were in a similar frenzy when Piledriver and Bulldozer came out...underwhelmed everyone then too...until I see independent benchmarks, I'll not be believing anything that is said by AMD.

Nvidia did no different with Fermi,especially with certain members of the Nvidia Focus Group who spammed forums,like Rollo.

He did it repeatedly to the point he was permabanned from most technology forums.

TBH,I don't think PD was underwhelming considering the starting point and what AMD had available to them regarding process tech,especially CPUs like the FX6300. If anything it has turned out a bit better than many of us thought in some metrics.
 
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The only people who were disappointed were those who hyped up the event in their own minds into something it wasn't.

Indeed, i wish the many blinkered on this thread understood that as well, they are little kids throwing their toys out the pram because they didn't get specs beggers belief.
 
THe first thing like this I went to was now, over a decade ago, x800xt maybe, small media event in London, hotel, telling us details, letting us see the card, ask a few questions.

I almost went to that hotel for the media event ! Surprised you still recalled it.

This whole AMD presentations remind me of 3dnow patches and K6 cpus and OpenGL and glidefx and 3dfx dlls which may or may never have happen :p
 
Wont i get more bang for the buck with the 7990 ?

The 7990 is faster but at a low res of 1080p where cpu bottlenecks might be more apparent id be temped to go with the single card. That's just me though, others might see it differently.
 
The 7990 is faster but at a low res of 1080p where cpu bottlenecks might be more apparent id be temped to go with the single card. That's just me though, others might see it differently.

Like me perhaps...;)

I certainly do notice the difference having had a single HD7970 in my system previously...it certainly is noticable.

Plus it then opens the door for me to go to 1440p in the near future which is only a good thing!
 
Like me perhaps...;)

I certainly do notice the difference having had a single HD7970 in my system previously...it certainly is noticable.

Plus it then opens the door for me to go to 1440p in the near future which is only a good thing!

Aye to be honest you can't really go wrong with either card. My only line of thinking was the extra grunt of a 7990 might be more worthwhile at a higher res. To be honest if you want the highest settings without compromise, the 7990 is the better choice.
 
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