It's probably not quite as extreme as that. However, when Valve ported their Source engine to OpenGL, they got immediate 20% performance improvements.
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Microsoft and Sony could be ‘hostile’ to AMD’s Mantle API, Carmack says
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It's probably not quite as extreme as that. However, when Valve ported their Source engine to OpenGL, they got immediate 20% performance improvements.
It probably helps that Source is as old as the hills and just as ugly. It's like Valve have been in hiding for 10 years and haven't seen Frostbite, Unreal and CryEngine
And Carmack, he's been living off his name and the good will of his fans for just as long. I listen when he speaks, but not with reverence any more
It probably helps that Source is as old as the hills and just as ugly. It's like Valve have been in hiding for 10 years and haven't seen Frostbite, Unreal and CryEngine
And Carmack, he's been living off his name and the good will of his fans for just as long. I listen when he speaks, but not with reverence any more
He does speak a lot in a way to draw attention to himself, often in some way critical, like some old has been; look at me i'm still relevant
Yeah, Source isn't exactly the most amazing engine, but it looks pretty good in Portal 2 
A nice benefit for these ports is that you can run the latest stuff your card supports with these games on Linux. No DirectX versions to be concerned about.
A nice benefit for these ports is that you can run the latest stuff your card supports with these games on Linux. No DirectX versions to be concerned about.
I will try that. I have dual boot with xp/win 7 on my main rig so i'll be able to try it. Not sure how well it will go though.
Yeah, Source isn't exactly the most amazing engine, but it looks pretty good in Portal 2
Empty rooms? Yeah, Source is good at those
Empty rooms? Yeah, Source is good at those
Stop being mean to Valve, Source is better than that stupid engine Fallout 3 uses
no I'm talking when those consoles first came out.. which shows an enormous disparity no? Converted several mates who thought pc gaming was 'geek' trouble, and they couldn't work it out! However same friends now buying silly systems, mainly cos pcs cain consoles everytime, especially if you have a decent monitor.
Stop being mean to Valve, Source is better than that stupid engine Fallout 3 uses
Gamebryo, for all its faults, did bring us loads of great games. I doubt Source would've kept up in the same role.
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Stop being mean to Valve, Source is better than that stupid engine Fallout 3 uses
You spelt it wrong, it's actually Fa-crash-ll-crash-out-crash-3-crashcrashcrash
Seriously I can't think of another game so ruddy awful in stability not just recently but pretty much ever, at least off the top of my head. I'm sure there are worse but not any that stick out.
Again people shouldn't be asking why MS are worried... as yet Carmack is simply being a wind up merchant, he's saying they MIGHT be angered by it.
MS I really can see being angry about it potentially because it could break the DX stranglehold. Of course the flip side of that is AMD/Nvidia jumping big time into openGL... which would mean both companies jumping onto a single competitive alternative widely compatible API which could potentially push gamers to Linux much sooner.
A AMD only API with less industry wide support and no Nvidia support could potentially as has been suggested cause an API war rather than both companies focusing on an API other OS's can already use fine.
IE an openGL move by AMD/Nvidia jointly could kill off DX overnight(potentially) and a move away from MS. Mantle isn't going to help Nvidia move away from windows or unify all game dev's behind it and therefore won't unify them all against Windows/MS that everyone getting straight behind openGL could, at least, not as quickly.
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Activision and Nvidia are working together on call of duty ghosts. Looks like they're preparing to adapt.
Good for them.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040230412&postcount=29
There are instanced where it could help tremendously, but game would have to be designed specifically with that in mind.
Btw i've just made draw call performance test in CryEngine SDK, quite surprising results
Video -(draw calls are listed as DP 3rd row from the top)
Results, not from video, but a little more precise testing:
300 draw calls - 105 fps
2100 draw calls - 104 fps
3000 draw calls - 103 fps
4000 draw calls - 101 fps
5000 draw calls - 91 fps
6000 draw calls - 83 fps
7000 draw calls - 75 fps
9000 draw calls - 65 fps
13000 draw calls - 49 fps
17000 draw calls - 41 fps
20000 draw calls - 37 fps
on stock i5 2500k and GTX 560. Dunno if my GPU has anything to do with it, but recording with FRAPS havent affected fps in any meaningful way.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=83775657&postcount=397
So are we saying 20000 draw calls with the performance hit of 3000 on the PC ?
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