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Nvidia preparing new Geforce with GK110

NVIDIA Plans Price Cuts For GeForce GTX Titan and GeForce 700 Series

The price cuts would pave way for NVIDIA to introduce a new GK110 based graphic card for the consumers though we cannot confirm its specifications but would have a follow up article to that in a short moment to talk about that and another high-end product from NVIDIA that wouldn’t be aimed towards the consumer market.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-planning...e-gtx-780-geforce-gtx-770-gpus/#ixzz2gqLXKy3s
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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-planning...x-titan-geforce-gtx-780-geforce-gtx-770-gpus/
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Full GK110 780ti priced at £600-650 with 6GB, titan is made EOL.
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That would be a good move by Nvidia imho, price cuts and new flagship, keep Titan as Graphic designer's type GPU, re-market the gaming GPU's,

GTX 750ti £150
GTX 760 £200
GTX 770 £300
GTX 770ti £400
GTX 780 £450
GTX 780ti £550

That would be awesome for Nvidia customers.
 
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Boomstick777 said:
Because when you have the flagship 'fastest GPU crown', it creates like a rainbow effect in subconscious marketing, people will think, 'Nvidia have the fastest GPU's' and then feel better about buying into Nvidia at say the midrange that they can afford.

So just having that crown is a way of advertising. The 'Titan' worked very well for Nvidia. So it is very possible that Nvidia could do this again, 20nm is still a ways off, a new flagship now would take some of the attention away from AMD and Nvidia would retain the crown.
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Who do you think has a thought process that works that way?

Does anyone consider who won the world rally championships when buying a new car?

When you buy a TV, do you worry about which brand has the current biggest screen on the market?

I'm pretty certain that people who buy mid-range (like myself), do not care who has the current fastest GPU on the market.

For us it's all about bang/buck and bang/watt. If nV has the best performing card but AMD has the best bang/buck mid-range card, you'd be nuts to go nV (and vice-versa).
 
FoxEye said:
Who do you think has a thought process that works that way?

Does anyone consider who won the world rally championships when buying a new car?

When you buy a TV, do you worry about which brand has the current biggest screen on the market?

I'm pretty certain that people who buy mid-range (like myself), do not care who has the current fastest GPU on the market.

For us it's all about bang/buck and bang/watt. If nV has the best performing card but AMD has the best bang/buck mid-range card, you'd be nuts to go nV (and vice-versa).
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Nobody consciously thinks this way, which is why I wrote "subconscious marketing"

It's a marketing tool, Nvidia have used it forever, along with other big company's, if you have the 'flagship' which beats all competition it doesn't have to even be obtainable by most normal customers, just having that flagship elevates the status of the company's entire range of products.. Customer will feel better spending their money on a product lower down from that stack, in GPU's the $299 to $599 market, where they make the most money.
 
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Boomstick777 said:
Nobody consciously thinks this way, which is why I wrote "subconscious marketing"

It's a marketing tool, Nvidia have used it forever, along with other big company's, if you have the 'flagship' which beats all competition it doesn't have to even be obtainable by most normal customers, just having that flagship elevates the status of the company's entire range of products.. Customer will feel better spending their money on a product lower down from that stack, in GPU's the $299 to $599 market, where they make the most money.
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I know what you're saying, I just don't think you're right :p Conscious/subconscious or not, I think it's a load of guff :p

Techies are going to be more impressed with how good/efficient your architecture is.

Everyone is going to be impressed by bang/buck, except those for whom money is no object.

Then you have *real* marketing, like AMD's Golden Ticket promotion (or Never Settle), which really *does* make a difference.

Which company has the fastest top-of-the-range card makes absolutely no difference if you're buying mid-range.
 
FoxEye said:
I know what you're saying, I just don't think you're right :p Conscious/subconscious or not, I think it's a load of guff :p
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Haha, It really isn't though bud, this is why even when AMD offer the best 'value' product, even throwing in free games and with better performance at the traditional level, Nvidia will still sell more products overall.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Haha, It really isn't though bud, this is why even when AMD offer the best 'value' product, even throwing in free games and with better performance at the traditional level, Nvidia will still sell more products overall.
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Which is nothing to do with nV selling the fastest top-end card, is it?

It's about brand perception. nV's brand is perceived as being better than AMD's brand - for a variety of reasons, mostly historic.

Crucially, this would not change if AMD suddenly took the performance crown. nV would still sell more cards and be able to charge more across their range.

Or do you think that if AMD had the fastest card on the market, that perceptions would suddenly be reversed, and AMD would become the new nV?
 
FoxEye said:
Which is nothing to do with nV selling the fastest top-end card, is it?

It's about brand perception. nV's brand is perceived as being better than AMD's brand - for a variety of reasons, mostly historic.

Crucially, this would not change if AMD suddenly took the performance crown. nV would still sell more cards and be able to charge more across their range.

Or do you think that if AMD had the fastest card on the market, that perceptions would suddenly be reversed, and AMD would become the new nV?
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Yes that is exactly what would happen, whoever holds the fastest flagship will have more marketing sway, this is fact. We have seen it happen in the past with AMD when they took the flagship position, with CPU's and GPU's. Recently AMD have settled for a value VS performance, so Nvidia have the marketing edge.

If AMD beat the Titan with it's 290X, you best believe enthusiasts interest will be peaked, to the point where some would even switch from a similar performing Nvidia GPU, just to have that 'flagship' GPU.

Nvidia put the 'Titan' out there not for most people to buy, but purely to act as the flagship product, advertising, a show if Nvidia's dominance.

If AMD can beat the Titan now, of course it will sway a few people over to the red side, (Kaapstad) this is why Nvidia will act to retain the flagship position. It has always been this way.. Not just in GPU's, but phones etc as well.
 
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Amd own the fasted card on the market. That won't change until 20nm.

So why would nvidias bother?

If they do a dual chip card based on the 780 I would buy buy buy!
 
Boomstick777 said:
Yes that is exactly what would happen, whoever holds the fastest flagship will have more marketing sway, this is fact. We have seen it happen in the past with AMD when they took the flagship position, with CPU's and GPU's. Recently AMD have settled for a value VS performance, so Nvidia have the marketing edge.
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I'm sorry but that's just not true.

When AMD had the best CPUs on the market, Intel still sold more CPUs. It's not open for debate, it's a fact :p

AMD's brand is simply not as strong as either Intel or nVidia. Having the fastest GPU on the market will *not* change this overnight. This is pure fantasy!
 
FoxEye said:
I'm sorry but that's just not true.

When AMD had the best CPUs on the market, Intel still sold more CPUs. It's not open for debate, it's a fact :p

AMD's brand is simply not as strong as either Intel or nVidia. Having the fastest GPU on the market will *not* change this overnight. This is pure fantasy!
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AMD dominated back in the day with it's Athlon chips, what was once a mighty CPU company, opted for the best value vs performance approach while Intel went all out. Look at the situation today. I don't know how else to explain it..

The same applies today, if AMD launched a truly Intel beating CPU, at any cost. If would massively raise AMD's profile, to say anything else is just ignorant.

If the 290X is an Nvidia Titan beater, people will flock to it. Nvidia will likely have a response soon, so this doesn't happen.

Here is a good example for you,

"There are two ways to think about GTX Titan and its impact on AMD’s competitive positioning. From a purely logical perspective, AMD doesn’t need to do anything. Radeon 7970s are available for as little as $379.99, $359.99 if you count the rebate. Based strictly on price, Titan doesn’t threaten AMD’s market because the price gap is simply too wide.

Unfortunately, human beings aren’t purely rational creatures. The GTX 690 already commanded the top end of the graphics market — a grip Titan cements further. The halo effect is very real; a potential customer who sees GeForce cards dominating the high end is more likely to pick a midrange card based on the same technology."

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...t-it-means-for-the-future-of-gaming-and-amd/2

Anyway I digress.
 
Boomstick777 said:
AMD dominated back in the day with it's Athlon chips, what was once a mighty CPU company, opted for the best value vs performance approach while Intel went all out. Look at the situation today. I don't know how else to explain it..

The same applies today, if AMD launched a truly Intel beating CPU, at any cost. If would massively raise AMD's profile, to say anything else is just ignorant.
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My last post to you, because you aren't listening.

When AMD 'dominated' with their Athlon 64 chips, Intel still sold more chips and had the bigger, more recognised, more valuable brand.

That is all I'm going to say now, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Nobody consciously thinks this way, which is why I wrote "subconscious marketing"

It's a marketing tool, Nvidia have used it forever, along with other big company's, if you have the 'flagship' which beats all competition it doesn't have to even be obtainable by most normal customers, just having that flagship elevates the status of the company's entire range of products.. Customer will feel better spending their money on a product lower down from that stack, in GPU's the $299 to $599 market, where they make the most money.
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Indeed that's how its works for people who are easily influenced by marketing which the average gamer is when it comes hardware.
 
A dual-GPU GK110-based card is a given I guess.

A "super-Titan" based on a fully enabled GK110 and with a less conservative clockspeed is an option too. It will only be a relatively mild improvement over the Titan, but if it can keep Nvidia at the top of the benchmark charts then it may be worthwhile for them. As per the discussion above, having the fastest single-GPU card is a key part of Nvidia's marketing strategy and corporate image. They may be reluctant to lose that title for six months.
 
Boomstick777 said:
AMD dominated back in the day with it's Athlon chips, what was once a mighty CPU company, opted for the best value vs performance approach while Intel went all out. Look at the situation today. I don't know how else to explain it..

The same applies today, if AMD launched a truly Intel beating CPU, at any cost. If would massively raise AMD's profile, to say anything else is just ignorant.

If the 290X is an Nvidia Titan beater, people will flock to it. Nvidia will likely have a response soon, so this doesn't happen.

Here is a good example for you,

"There are two ways to think about GTX Titan and its impact on AMD’s competitive positioning. From a purely logical perspective, AMD doesn’t need to do anything. Radeon 7970s are available for as little as $379.99, $359.99 if you count the rebate. Based strictly on price, Titan doesn’t threaten AMD’s market because the price gap is simply too wide.

Unfortunately, human beings aren’t purely rational creatures. The GTX 690 already commanded the top end of the graphics market — a grip Titan cements further. The halo effect is very real; a potential customer who sees GeForce cards dominating the high end is more likely to pick a midrange card based on the same technology."

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...t-it-means-for-the-future-of-gaming-and-amd/2

Anyway I digress.
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The Athlon chips only raised the profile of AMD for informed PC enthusiasts and i mean informed because not a single PC gamer i knew back then in real life was saying go Athlon, they were all telling me to go P4 and clock speed was everything, but i always do my home work so i got an Athlon.
 
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