i5 750 to AMD 8350 worth it?

[ALXAndy]

This is OCUK forum, so i use their pricing. I can get a second hand intel rig for a lot less than the above, means nothing however.

You're totally loading the prices in your favour. Just like you're loading benchmarks in your favour. I don't know if you're deliberately doing that, or, know very little about hardware. But any way, here is an 4+1board with the 8320. I won't bother with cooler as you'd need the same one. For example you've picked the GD80 which is MSI's most expensive 990 board. So look, it's not hard to turn it around.

I can get a Asrock 990FX Extreme 3 (good for 4.2ghz) and a 8320 for £183.

I can get a 4670k CPU for £173.99.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Intel has started to lock out H87 overclocking were possible:

http://www.techpowerup.com/187752/i...s-offering-overclocking-on-non-z-chipset.html

 

[stulid]

Thought the H87 overclockings been killed off with a microcode update from Intel?

^
Edit like above link.

 

[ubersonic]

How about some Tom's hardware?

/snip

Well looky here.

So basically, in single player (which nobody really plays) when GPU limited, an AMD CPU is just as good as all the other GPU limited CPUs...

Oh well that makes up for them getting nailed by older/current Intel CPUs in multi-player (the reason people buy/play the game) in the Russian chart...

 

[Tonester0011]

You're totally loading the prices in your favour. Just like you're loading benchmarks in your favour. I don't know if you're deliberately doing that, or, know very little about hardware. But any way, here is an 4+1board with the 8320. I won't bother with cooler as you'd need the same one. For example you've picked the GD80 which is MSI's most expensive 990 board. So look, it's not hard to turn it around.

I can get a Asrock 990FX Extreme 3 (good for 4.2ghz) and a 8320 for £183.

I can get a 4670k CPU for £173.99.

The point i was making, you need a better board with the 8320 to make the most out of the overclocking, compared to an average board with intel, you'd also need better cooling. Taking that into consideration i chose the better value 990FX. With my old AMD rig i had a M599X board, was good for 4.4Ghz with my 1100t and costs £20 less than the GD80.

Your pick is a dirty Asrock board, they're cheap for a reason. Good for 4.2Ghz, so not really an overclock then....might as well pay the extra for an 6+2 board.

Kinda ironic telling me i'm loading the prices, and you're not?

 

[Omaeka]

By all means go Intel. AMD have nothing to offer once you get to the 4770k, so you can feel all fuzzy and warm inside knowing you have the best. Best performance. But don't think for a minute you got the best value for money.

Funny thing is, a 2500k or a 3570k will kill the 8350 for price & performance, you told the OP that choosing a 3570k over the 8350 wouldn't be worthwhile whereas a 4770k would be, despite only 15-20% extra power? It's nearly 3x the price. No point whining on about 'value for money' when you're setting goals the OP can't match and then telling him your AMD is the best in it's range, when it just isn't. With the exception of Gaming Evolved games, even an i3 runs neck and neck with the 8350.

I've never seen anyone bum AMD this much in my life, but then again I don't exactly come to this part of the forum often.

This is why.

 

[PCZ]

Thought the H87 overclockings been killed off with a microcode update from Intel?

^
Edit like above link.

No it hasn't
Needs a BIOS update to disable it.
That article that was linked to is FUD

I use H87 boards and Overclocking is still alive and well.
Also I grabbed all the current BIOS's from ASUS in case they disappear and are replaced with nobbled versions.

 

[alex_123_fra]

Funny thing is, a 2500k or a 3570k will kill the 8350 for price & performance,.... With the exception of Gaming Evolved games, even an i3 runs neck and neck with the 8350.

This post has so many inaccuracies, it is hard to know where to start. If ever I saw "bumming" of any particular brand, it is here towards intel. Don't mean to be controversial, just how it comes across.

I think a lot of us will have to agree to disagree.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The point i was making, you need a better board with the 8320 to make the most out of the overclocking, compared to an average board with intel, you'd also need better cooling.

I would not pick your board though, and to be fair it is very expensive. I would go for a happy medium with something like this one:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 AMD 990X (Socket AM3+) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £109.99

Let's be honest if your into overclocking you should be on a better cooler than the retail box one.

This post has so many inaccuracies, it is hard to know where to start. If ever I saw "bumming" of any particular brand, it is here towards intel. Don't mean to be controversial, just how it comes across.

I must admit I feel perturbed with the general bias of the posting to be quite blunt. I bet you all the guys twisting and being defensive all have intel rigs, if you want to be consistent and promote "brand bumming" haha.

 

[Martini1991]

That puts the price advantage at just over 20 quid towards the FX83.

 

[Tonester0011]

I would not pick your board though, and to be fair it is very expensive. I would go for a happy medium with something like this one:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 AMD 990X (Socket AM3+) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £109.99

Let's be honest if your into overclocking you should be on a better cooler than the retail box one.



I must admit I feel perturbed with the general bias of the posting to be quite blunt. I bet you all the guys twisting and being defensive all have intel rigs, if you want to be consistent and promote "brand bumming" haha.

£20 cheaper than the Intel rig, you'd be more inclined to up the cooling of the AMD rig now lol. Swings and roundabouts mate, that was my point. They end up costing the same, so the one with better value for money is the i5.

As for rigs, i've had my fair share of AMD and Intel rigs, currently it's Intel. They offer much better value for all the games i play and the benchmarking i like to do.

 

[gpuerrilla]

As for rigs, i've had my fair share of AMD and Intel rigs, currently it's Intel. They offer much better value for all the games i play and the benchmarking i like to do.

Swings and roundabouts pal. I have had plenty of rigs too, first one being intel PIII 450, AMD thunderbird 1Ghz... blah blah been building since 1998. Guess what I like to play games and benchmark too!

 

[gpuerrilla]

And you could do the same for Intel.

I don't disagree what you've got is good price/performance.

Yes and I agree way back many pages with you that your suggestion was the way to go.

Some others have veered off on another debate which is more preference, but at least we agree for once!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I would not pick your board though, and to be fair it is very expensive. I would go for a happy medium with something like this one:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 AMD 990X (Socket AM3+) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £109.99

Let's be honest if your into overclocking you should be on a better cooler than the retail box one.

The Asus M5A97 EVO has the same VRM section and is under £80 at many retailers.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The Asus M5A97 EVO has the same VRM section and is under £80 at many retailers.

£20 cheaper than the Intel rig, you'd be more inclined to up the cooling of the AMD rig now lol. Swings and roundabouts mate, that was my point. They end up costing the same, so the one with better value for money is the i5.

As for rigs, i've had my fair share of AMD and Intel rigs, currently it's Intel. They offer much better value for all the games i play and the benchmarking i like to do.

Then Tone can adjust his £20 to £50, but I think you would be wasting your time convincing this crowd.

 

[~>Dg<~]

break it down simple.

choosing a amd 8 core over a i5 is often budget related or amd love.

also people think that because you get more cores 8 it will be better. in things that do fully utilize it this can be the case because most dont though you left with a slower chip in todays real world programs.

there's nothing wrong with 8 core amd cpus but buying and hoping that programs and software will take advantage in the future is a bit stupid.

the games that have massive budgets maybe will try to do this but the games that have those kind of budgets now are very few and can be counted on your hands. bf4 is the biggest indication on how cpus will be in gaming for next year and as you can see a amd cpu is 10-15 percent down on a i5.

so in the next year no change and by the year after even if you do get it start to filter in the cpu will be slower by modern standards and u will probably of upgraded to a better faster chip anyway.

so your buying a dream. buy a cpu that uses todays programs and reap the benefits.

in all the games that utilize the cpu power and how they coded a i5 wins every time in the big games or more than a 8 core does. dont be disappointed in a amd 8 core they are good value just dont expect the same performance as its not the same.

 

[ALXAndy]

The point i was making, you need a better board with the 8320 to make the most out of the overclocking, compared to an average board with intel, you'd also need better cooling. Taking that into consideration i chose the better value 990FX. With my old AMD rig i had a M599X board, was good for 4.4Ghz with my 1100t and costs £20 less than the GD80.

Your pick is a dirty Asrock board, they're cheap for a reason. Good for 4.2Ghz, so not really an overclock then....might as well pay the extra for an 6+2 board.

Kinda ironic telling me i'm loading the prices, and you're not?

There's nothing wrong with the Asrock board. It's the same board I used to bench Crysis 3 @ 1080p. 4.2ghz is still a decent clock speed on a budget. A lot of the 4670ks I've seen can't do much more than 4.2ghz any way down to the chip.

If you're going to do like for like (because there are boards around for £90 or so that can get you to 4.6+) then pick the Mpower. That's the Intel equivalent to the board you picked.

Edit. I still have mine it just needs to be RMA. I should have it back and replaced within the next couple of weeks and only need ram and a GPU to get an entire system running (I think, providing the PSU wasn't damaged I need to test it still). Once I do I will run all of the benchmarks at 4.2ghz to show the difference between 4.2 and 4.5 and beyond.

But here's a benchmark of Crysis 3 that came back with a min FPS of at least 40 and highs of 100.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVHwA7hMe1w

As you can see the gameplay is as smooth as butter. So I won't rule out that board and if you look hard enough you get get it for £70. That's with 5x Sata 3, USB 3, full SLI and CFX support as well as trifire etc.

 

[ALXAndy]

Funny thing is, a 2500k or a 3570k will kill the 8350 for price & performance

Sorry that's just blatantly wrong and a lie.

There's been way too much of that in this thread.

 

[Tonester0011]

Andy, i wasn't doing like for like....In none of my posts have i mentioned like for like, my comparison on prices is pretty simple. You need a better board, one with decent VRMs 6+2 kind minimum for a decent potential overclock. Compared with Intel, where you can clock decently using a sub par H87 board, saving you money and bringing the price down inline with AMDs offering, you also have to up the cooling (more money)

You also keep banging on about the same 2 or 3 games, the same games where the i5 is what? margin of error behind or ahead lol, whereas in most games...because there's more than just Crysis 3, Farcry3 and BF4 currently out where they're not so heavily threaded Intel win, a lot.

Even in some heavily threaded games, Intel win....a lot.

 

[flopper]

Funny thing is, a 2500k or a 3570k will kill the 8350 for price & performance, .

wouldnt say that.
depends what you use the computer for.
normally the difference might be gaming and then again your hard pressed to take notice of difference if doing a double blind test.
so in all, equal with benefit of 8 cores. I view that agaisnt a 4930k which cost about 5 times as much.
multi gpu set ups tends to benefit from more cores.

all bets are off with Mantle and bf4 also.
might change the gpu/cpu gaming there
for a normal user, a 8350 is the price/performance value king IMO.
if you wont notice difference in use, why buy more expensive stuff?