Ryan Shrout on Nvidia vs AMD value for money

[Silent_Scone]

I think people are getting a bit to exited over this audio / cables business and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

"If you desolder the chip or in some way disable it, you get no audio too. That's whack" well, take out the CPU in your computer, you get no computer, surprisingly.

And if something "doesn't work" with this or that cable that is not "blocking it" its simply that "it doesn't work with that cable" hence why they are supplying cables.

flol, who said that?

Edit: Oh... lol

 

[Gregster]

To be more specific according to the story presented by pcper if you do not use a AMD branded DVI to HDMI connector that follows with your Radeon gfx the HDMI sound will not be passed through.

The reason im correcting it Greg is if there is another slow thinker like myself that thought you were talking about the True Audio system which this isnt about.

Now to my opinion about it. WTF..... how pointless is that, no body is going to use the dvi port anyway for sound as up until now Radeon cards have had a seperate HDMI port. Now if they were to drop that and only offer HDMI through the DVI port then again WTF?!?

Thank god its such a small stupid thing and not something that is severely going to affect your user experience.

So to get True audio to work, you will need to use audio over the HDMI cable supplied and this is just for the true audio and not your normal 2.1/5.1/7.1?

 

[humbug]

So to get True audio to work, you will need to use audio over the HDMI cable supplied and this is just for the true audio and not your normal 2.1/5.1/7.1?

The True Audio chip is a part of the GPU's silicone, so you can't "desolder the chip or in some way disable it" anyway...

I wouldn't have thought on GPU sound would have anything to do with your Motherboard or Sound Card sound.

AMD's GPU's have always had on board GPU sound that operates over HDMI, i would think this is the same. you can't pipe GPU on board sound into the Motherboards sound processor or indeed through the DVI cable as it has no Audio conections to the Monitor or TV.

It has to be done through the HDMI, this is hardley a revelation, there is no other way to do it.

 

[Phixsator]

So to get True audio to work, you will need to use audio over the HDMI cable supplied and this is just for the true audio and not your normal 2.1/5.1/7.1?

As i have understood it the True Audio is nothing more than a chip that does the calculations for special audio effect that are written for it so your CPU dont have to. When it is done the sound is still sent off to your active audio output to be processed be it onboard audio, HDMI output or your Asus Xonar sound card..im kidding. I mean any sound card..

The True Audio chip is a part of the GPU's silicone, so you can't "desolder the chip or in some way disable it" anyway...

I wouldn't have thought on GPU sound would have anything to do with your Motherboard or Sound Card sound.

AMD's GPU's have always had on board GPU sound that operates over HDMI, i would think this is the same. you can't pipe GPU on board sound into the Motherboards sound processor or indeed through the DVI cable as it has no Audio conections to the Monitor or TV.

It has to be done through the HDMI, this is hardley a revelation, there is no other way to do it.

Dont think of True Audio as a complete sound card solution on a GPU. Think of it as a chip that software can access to process sound effects before said software throws it down the pipes to the dedicated sound card. No one is that stupid to build a chip and hype it this much to only allow its effects to be heard through HDMI audio when a lot gamers are sitting on dedicated sound cards and sound systems that do not take HDMI in the first place(because why would they).

If it turns out that i am wrong and that the True Audio effects can only be heard through HDMI(would sort explain the whole AMD DVI-HDMI lockout thing though) then well done AMD you f'd up. Because in this case it would be no better than what nvidia has done with physx. Both is offering game changing effects.

Would actually make some sense now that i think of it to why they have also brought out a the low cost 260x that is the only other card besides the 290 cards to offer True Audio. You would have to use that as output if your current GPU didnt offer support for True Audio. Jeezes..

Cannot imagen True Audio would live for long if it does not support passthrough to your dedicated sound card. As a bare minimum it should have jacks on the back of the GFX IO for speaker systems including digital output and i cannot see that happening. Infact i dont recall any of that on the Linus Techtips video where he is holding on at the Hawaii event.

 

[Orangey]

The "chip" I was referring to was what they were talking about in the video, they said it checks for the right adapter so I'm assuming it's some kind of content protection chip.

Humbug just listen to the video.

 

[Suarez7]

Does HDMI support 120hz yet?

 

[humbug]

As i have understood it the True Audio is nothing more than a chip that does the calculations for special audio effect that are written for it so your CPU dont have to. When it is done the sound is still sent off to your active audio output to be processed be it onboard audio, HDMI output or your Asus Xonar sound card..im kidding. I mean any sound card..

that's possible, tho i don't know how external sound processors would deal with the decoded audio stream coming from the GPU, i would suggest it probably couldn't, the audio coming from the GPU is already streaming as it should be (its own way of producing its sound) going directly into your amplifier, an external sound processor would not recognise it let alone reproduce it.
It will have to go through the HDMI, but certainly not through the DVI

 

[Silent_Scone]

Not to my knowledge no.

 

[Orangey]

Does HDMI support 120hz yet?

2.0 supposably does.

 

[humbug]

What is going on here is AMD may well be supplying a (HDMI to Audio Splitter)

So you can plug the DVI into your screen as normal and then plug the audio into whatever amplifier your using, again as normal.

 

[JonSmith]

I'm not sure what people are complaining about, this has been the case as far back as the 3xxx series AMD cards. the simple reason is that some single and dual height cards have 2x DVI and no HDMI out, so to get your audio out of the card over HDMI you had to use a special adapter.

 

[Final8y]

As i have understood it the True Audio is nothing more than a chip that does the calculations for special audio effect that are written for it so your CPU dont have to. When it is done the sound is still sent off to your active audio output to be processed be it onboard audio, HDMI output or your Asus Xonar sound card..im kidding. I mean any sound card..

Thats how it works.

 

[Final8y]

I'm not sure what people are complaining about, this has been the case as far back as the 3xxx series AMD cards. the simple reason is that some single and dual height cards have 2x DVI and no HDMI out, so to get your audio out of the card over HDMI you had to use a special adapter.

Yes that has been the case, never had an issue as the adapters come with the card, but what if its lost ?