Madeleine McCann's parents

Django x2 · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:18

Nexus said:
It's suggested that if the sighting is the guy carrying Madeline, then Kate missed it by just a few minutes.

Or, to look at it another way, she wouldn't have missed it at all had she not been out cavorting with friends.

Vulcan · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:19

Django x2 said:
The Lancashire police dog report....

What?

Link a source.

Cosimo · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:22

NVP said:
Couldn't the DNA have gotten there from transfer, I'm sure they would have still been carrying belongings of hers.

Apparently:

Telegraph:

Officers had been told in an email from the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham that no conclusive traces of Madeleine's DNA had been found in the family's hire car.

But detectives went on to tell Mr McCann, during an eight hour interrogation, that his daughter's DNA had been found in the boot of the vehicle, which was rented more than three weeks after she vanished.

Guardian:

Portuguese police sources suggest DNA tests prove Madeleine's body was in the boot of a car hired by her parents 25 days after she disappeared. Some DNA experts doubt the claims.

Looks like we don't have anything reliable about DNA evidence.

Cosimo · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:23

Django x2 said:
The Lancashire police dog report....

Are you having us barking up a tree, link please?

foster grant · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:25

The two dogs in question have been used 200 times and have never been wrong

Django x2 · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:29

The site above for this one, but Google turns up similar:

Far more conclusive evidence was found in the Renault Scenic, registration no. 59-DA-27 - the car hired by the McCanns. Eddie, the 'cadaver dog', and Keela, the 'blood-hound’, both clearly marked the same car and the same location within the car. The blood found there by Keela (beneath the carpeting in the well of the car) was also degraded. But the FSS lab was able this time, on its first analysis, to find 19 markers, of which 15 markers matched Madeleine's DNA - again, meaning that there were no markers within these 15 that could not have come from Madeleine. With 15 markers out of 19 all matching Madeleine’s DNA, that would give analysts 99.9% confidence that the blood samples were from Madeleine. The DNA of the degraded blood was found not to match with the DNA of the twins, Sean and Amelie, a further indication that the blood was Madeleine’s. These were the initial results that the FSS initially communicated to senior investigating officer Goncalo Amaral and his team.

This from an archived (deleted) Gerry Mcann blog:
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/traces.jpg

mmj_uk · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:29

Here is the Lancashire police dog report:

Woof, Woof..Woof Woof Woof, Woof. Woof, Woof. Woof.

Django x2 · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:32

ChroniC · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:33

Cosimo said:
Are you having us barking up a tree, link please?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Not sure if these are real though.

Ten vehicles were screened in an underground multi storey car park at
Portimao. The vehicles, of which I did not know the owner details, were
parked on an empty floor with 20-30 feet between each. The vehicle
placement video recording and management of the process was conducted
by the PJ. The EVRD was then tasked to search the area. When passing a
vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family,
the dog's behaviour changed substantially. This then produced an alert
indication at the lower part of the drivers door where the dog was biting and
barking. I recognise this behaviour as the dog indicating scent emitting from
the inside of the vehicle through the seal around the door.

This vehicle was then subjected to a full physical examination by the PJ and
no human remains were found. The CSI dog was then tasked to screen the
vehicle. An alert indication was forthcoming from the rear driver's side of the
boot area. Forensic samples were taken by the PJ and forwarded to a
forensic laboratory in the U.K.

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent'
contaminant or human blood scent. No evidential or intelligence reliability can
be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating
evidence. The remainder of the vehicles were screened by the EVRD without
any interest being shown. Therefore the CSI dog was not further deployed.

Nexus · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:37

Django x2 said:
Or, to look at it another way, she wouldn't have missed it at all had she not been out cavorting with friends.

You make it sound like they are the worst parents ever for doing so. In hindsight there is probably not a day that goes by that they don't think about getting a babysitter.

I think you will find that leaving children in the room and checking on them periodically has been done by many parents for years. I know my own parents did it when I was young. A case like this though has obviously resulted in people doing otherwise now.

Indie · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:40

Nexus said:
You make it sound like they are the worst parents ever for doing so. In hindsight there is probably not a day that goes by that they don't think about getting a babysitter.

I think you will find that leaving children in the room and checking on them periodically has been done by many parents for years. I know my own parents did it when I was young. A case like this though has obviously resulted in people doing otherwise now.

There's a difference between leaving your kids in a room and checking them periodically... and going out for dinner and leaving them in an apartment on their own :/

Uther · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:41

Nexus said:
You make it sound like they are the worst parents ever for doing so. In hindsight there is probably not a day that goes by that they don't think about getting a babysitter.

I think you will find that leaving children in the room and checking on them periodically has been done by many parents for years. I know my own parents did it when I was young. A case like this though has obviously resulted in people doing otherwise now.

So you would be comfortable with leaving your young children asleep on their own whilst you went out for dinner out of site 100 yards away?
In a foreign country?
I find that hard to believe.

foster grant · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:43

Indie said:
There's a difference between leaving your kids in a room and checking them periodically... and going out for dinner and leaving them in an apartment on their own :/

yep .

but they did this at least 5 nights in a row , even though the night before she went missing ...that little girl had been heard calling out " Daddy daddy " for over an hour .

Indie · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:43

Uther said:
So you would be comfortable with leaving your young children asleep on their own whilst you went out for dinner out of site 100 yards away?
In a foreign country?
I find that hard to believe.

Exactly... one room to another room, fair enough. its just asking for trouble leaving them asleep and going out for the night, its mind boggling!

foster grant said:
yep .

but they did this at least 5 nights in a row , even though the night before she went missing ...that little girl had been heard calling out " Daddy daddy " for over an hour .

Oh they did? if it happened 5 nights in a row, balance has now been restored!

Nexus · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:44

Indie said:
There's a difference between leaving your kids in a room and checking them periodically... and going out for dinner and leaving them in an apartment on their own :/

That's what you will find many people do... or at least did.
My parents did that while eating in a hotel restaurant.

Uther said:
So you would be comfortable with leaving your young children asleep on their own whilst you went out for dinner out of site 100 yards away?
In a foreign country?
I find that hard to believe.

I don't have children and as I already pointed out, this case is why you wouldn't consider doing it now.

However, I myself as a child was left in a hotel room, in a foreign country, while my parents and friends dined in the hotel facilities.

While perhaps this might not be something you have experienced, if you ask people of the older generations, I'm sure you will find this was a pretty common practise.

feedtheram · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:44

Django x2 said:
The site above for this one, but Google turns up similar:

This from an archived (deleted) Gerry Mcann blog:
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/traces.jpg

The Wiki article seems to dispute this claim...

"A complex LCN [low copy number] DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section ... Within the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. ... Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion. ... The individual components in Madeleine's profile are not unique to her; it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeleine's profile are also present within the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. It's important to stress that 50% of Madeleine's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible, in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. ... Therefore, we cannot answer the question: Is the match genuine, or is it a chance match"

Indie · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:45

Nexus said:
That's what you will find many people do... or at least did.
My parents did that while eating in a hotel restaurant.

I don't have children and as I already pointed out, this case is why you wouldn't consider doing it now.

However, I myself as a child was left in a hotel room, in a foreign country, while my parents and friends dined in the hotel facilities.

While perhaps this might not be something you have experienced, if you ask people of the older generations, I'm sure you will find this was a pretty common practise.

Waaaait a minute.... is that you Gerry?!!

wildman · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:47

the parents are guilty of something, but due to their cunning manipulation of the media we will never ever know the truth. We should stop wasting taxpayers money on this soiree. I don't see other families getting this kind of funding from the taxpayers purse when something ill befalls their children.

We are all being manipualted and conned by these scumbags.

foster grant · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:47

Django x2 · 15 Oct 2013 at 15:50

^ This..

That has never been done by anyone I know (parent) who even has a smattering of responsibility or common sense about them. My view is literally this, leave your children alone as the Mcanns did, forgoe the right to have children. Simple