Charging for Self-Inflicted Injuries/Illness...

[RDM]

yea really someone totally obese would have got it even if they were fit and healthy........... in a fraction of cases

The fraction seems to be 50% according to the second part of your post....

 

[marc2003]

I don't believe you, having worked in A&E they only use patient transport service for the oldies and disabled, otherwise sort yourself out

why would he lie about such a thing?

i've had a taxi paid for by A&E. i fell over and broke my ankle when it was really icy one year. i suppose they thought making me hobble home on a set of crutches in those conditions wasn't a good idea.

 

[MooMoo444]

If you get yourself so ****ed that you can't walk without falling over and banging your head, then it's your own fault and you should pay for the treatment.

I'd have nothing against this.

 

[Hyburnate]

why would he lie about such a thing?

i've had a taxi paid for by A&E. i fell over and broke my ankle when it was really icy one year. i suppose they thought making me hobble home on a set of crutches in those conditions wasn't a good idea.

They have a duty of care right up to your doorstep.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

you can say it was the major contributing factor

I've been a very fit bloke for most of my life competing in marathons, playing football etc with a reasonable diet but I got type 2 diabetes.

 

[Disco Boy]

I've been a very fit bloke for most of my life competing in marathons, playing football etc with a reasonable diet but I got type 2 diabetes.

You also see to have a poor grasp of probabilities , dmpoole.

 

[arknor]

The fraction seems to be 50% according to the second part of your post....

if you ignore what it actually says sure

 

[Efour]

are not 90% {or something silly} of AandE admittance on Friday and Saturday night not alcohol related?

There should be a surcharge on such an admittance.

 

[Dr House]

The problem is if you make people pay they may not go to hospital when they really need treatment and may die as a result.

What really gets of my nerves is when people do not show up for hospital / GP appointment. Its quite common for people not to show up for non urgent surgeries which is a waste of everyones time any money.

 

[platinum87]

My experience and knowledge comes from working for the ambulance service, where does yours come from?

If they weren't supervised in a controlled environment we would be picking them later on with exposure, injuries from an assault/accident, or when they've aspirated because they can't maintain their own airway.

Your experience working for the ambulance service according to my argument is invalid, If they are left alone they will be fine, medical treatment is unnecessary.

Really what happens is someone drinks a bit too much, goes into a semi-stupor, starts throwing up, the person they are with has a massive over-reaction and calls 999.

Now my main problem with this is i do not want to be taken to a hospital when i am in a stupor and cannot talk with the people to tell them to leave me alone. I know i will be fine, i know others will be fine.

I do agree that any sort of abusive, disruptive or violent drunken behavior should be arrested and a fined, that is the real problem. For every guy who is taken to hospital there are hundreds shouting, starting fights and smashing stuff.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

are not 90% {or something silly} of AandE admittance on Friday and Saturday night not alcohol related?

There should be a surcharge on such an admittance.

I think it's 80% on a Friday/Saturday but 33% during the rest of the week.

 

[areksnumbr1sxylady]

We pay national insurance so I would be ****ed off if I got declined a service...

Just dont treat people who dont contribute, simple. Leave them to die on the street, would be better for everyone.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Just dont treat people who dont contribute, simple. Leave them to die on the street, would be better for everyone.

How would you know?

 

[areksnumbr1sxylady]

How would you know?

Just ask them.

 

[MooMoo444]

Just ask them.

i don wan 2 die, i haz contriboot, honest

 

[marc2003]

Just ask them.

brilliant. you've clearly given this a lot of thought.

 

[Randomface74]

If ppl are drunk then yeah, they should be fined. If they can't pay it and they're on benefits, they should lose x% of their benefits.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Just ask them.

Fool, I just spit my Coke out

 

[elmarko]

We pay national insurance so I would be ****ed off if I got declined a service...

Just dont treat people who dont contribute, simple. Leave them to die on the street, would be better for everyone.

Ignoring the general idiocy of this post.

It does highlight yet another flaw with this view of view.

Define contribute?.

What about a mother who looks after the children (doesn't work or pay tax) but partner does work full time, would they 'count' as contributing?.

 

[£15]

Sticking with drink related incidents - is it not illegal to be drunk in public and to serve someone that is drunk?

With this in mind; instead of the NHS charging people for treatment, the Police could fine them for being drunk and find out all the places that served them and fine them too. Maybe that would reduce the number of self-inflicted, drink related incidents?

Seriously though, it's a social problem and the root causes need to be addressed, rather than simply treating the symptoms.

Far too many people refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions and are always blaming others. They expect, no demand, others to help them on their terms and cannot see the situation was entirely of their own making. Many cannot be educated to the risks of their actions and lack any common sense or self-preservation. However, we can't pick and choose who does/doesn't get help, as the risks of not helping are too high. Sometimes 'normal' people make mistakes.