*****Apple Fall Event 22nd Oct*****

[Nexus]

Ayayay... prices of second hand Mac Pros will go through the roof after tonight.

Somehow I still thought they would see the light and leave the proper editing Mac Pro with internal storage in the lineup as Mac Pro Classic or something. This iBin will be decimation of OSX video and audio market. And there is absolutely nothing to pick up the pieces.

There is also no proper OSX Server hardware anymore. Although the Xserve went, at least the Mac Pro in previous form could still be rack mounted.

Yes they have a Mac Mini Server, but aside from managing a home network or a small business that only really does e-mail and word processing, its woeful for any serious usage due to the extreme lack of connectivity or power.

 

[Caged]

The current Mac Pro is an ancient product, it's not getting more valuable outside of edge cases where people have PCI cards attached to very expensive hardware and their Mac dies and they pay over the odds on eBay for a replacement.

4 internal SATA bays filled a weird void between enough to have the OS installed on, and not enough to do anything useful with. The new Mac Pro is designed to live off networked storage or Thunderbolt attached arrays. Both of which will have varying levels of disk speeds, SSD tiering and battery backed cache. None of which is practical to build into a computer.

And the previous Mac Pro couldn't be rack mounted. It was too tall.

 

[Nexus]

The current Mac Pro is an ancient product, it's not getting more valuable outside of edge cases where people have PCI cards attached to very expensive hardware and their Mac dies and they pay over the odds on eBay for a replacement.

The Xserve went up in value when it was discontinued. The studio I was working at ordered two brand new ones and Apple had to extend the cut off date because they had so many orders. It took an extra two week build time because of the demand. At the end of the project they were sold for profit. Yes its paying over the odds, but thats because there is demand, but no longer the supply.

4 internal SATA bays filled a weird void between enough to have the OS installed on, and not enough to do anything useful with. The new Mac Pro is designed to live off networked storage or Thunderbolt attached arrays. Both of which will have varying levels of disk speeds, SSD tiering and battery backed cache. None of which is practical to build into a computer.

All of which you have just explained above though is the reason why it will largely be a machine for individual professionals and very small businesses. The product simply doesn't integrate with existing businesses because of the need to invest so heavily in other technologies and peripherals to go with it..... Thunderbolt devices.

And the previous Mac Pro couldn't be rack mounted. It was too tall.

Sorry, but I've seen it rack mounted in plenty of Server and MCRs. You can either mount it sideways or have solutions where its stood up still.

 

[naisdes]

Going to trade in my iPad Mini 64GB White and buy the new iPad Mini with Retina Display. The screen and CPU/GPU improvement were all I was hoping for. I definitely don't need 64GB anymore, but I now have to decide between the 16GB or 32GB. I'm leaning towards the latter because I do load a few movies on my iPad to watch at work, each taking up 1.5GB. Also thinking whether I want cellular as well.

 

[v0n]

The current Mac Pro is an ancient product, it's not getting more valuable outside of edge cases where people have PCI cards attached to very expensive hardware and their Mac dies and they pay over the odds on eBay for a replacement.

With the iBin, every studio, every editing house, every video production facility is expected to throw away hundreds of thousands worth of capture, switchers, controller, scaler, recorder, raid, sas, accelerator, graphics, monitoring, scope etc cards and with it all of their drives, storage, consoles, playout, acquisition systems, what have you and start anew, from the scratch, building everything around thunderbolt, as external boxes. Because iBrabantia had to be pretty. That's totally reasonable.

 

[Caged]

All of which you have just explained above though is the reason why it will largely be a machine for individual professionals and very small businesses. The product simply doesn't integrate with existing businesses because of the need to invest so heavily in other technologies and peripherals to go with it..... Thunderbolt devices.

I don't see your argument. Are you implying that edit houses store all their content on the disks in the old Mac Pros instead of in some sort of asset management system? Individuals and very small business aren't buying SSD tiered shared storage arrays.

Sorry, but I've seen it rack mounted in plenty of Server and MCRs. You can either mount it sideways or have solutions where its stood up still.

You're wrong. It's too wide for a 19" rack unless you saw the handles off, and if standing up on a rack shelf counts as being rack mounted then the new Mac Pro can also be racked.

 

[Caged]

With the iBin, every studio, every editing house, every video production facility is expected to throw away hundreds of thousands worth of capture, switchers, controller, scaler, recorder, raid, sas, accelerator, graphics, monitoring, scope etc cards and with it all of their drives, storage, consoles, playout, acquisition systems, what have you and start anew, from the scratch, building everything around thunderbolt, as external boxes. Because iBrabantia had to be pretty. That's totally reasonable.

No, they can keep using them with existing Mac Pros.

 

[FreeStream]

No, they can keep using them with existing Mac Pros.

How exactly?

Unless your suggesting they invest in a TB to PCI-E enclosure?

 

[JGBR]

Well my MBA13inch is 4 months old and I am very impressed by battery life but it does live in my backpack and in and out of work, sleep, moving around campus.

However

I've been after a retina screen for ages and pondering moving to

The new - apparently lighter 13RMBP.

Yet

I'm fininding I'm maxing out the 8Gb MBA on Ram.

By the time you customise a 13inch RMBP , and the Btw the top CPU on the 13inch isn't as good as the i7 in the MBA - see intel!

Your in 15inch terrority and I still like the screen real estate. Yet the 15inxh isn't that portable?

So I'm split on all 3 options!
Well

Not just 3 options

I have my 2009 Mac Pro heading towards end of life, I love it but I can't upgrade it anymore, UsB 2 sucks and fan noise! Grr.

Of course the other option is wait for a 2014 retina MacBook Air.....

 

[jonneymendoza]

Well my MBA13inch is 4 months old and I am very impressed by battery life but it does live in my backpack and in and out of work, sleep, moving around campus.

However

I've been after a retina screen for ages and pondering moving to

The new - apparently lighter 13RMBP.

Yet

I'm fininding I'm maxing out the 8Gb MBA on Ram.

By the time you customise a 13inch RMBP , and the Btw the top CPU on the 13inch isn't as good as the i7 in the MBA - see intel!

Your in 15inch terrority and I still like the screen real estate. Yet the 15inxh isn't that portable?

So I'm split on all 3 options!
Well

Not just 3 options

I have my 2009 Mac Pro heading towards end of life, I love it but I can't upgrade it anymore, UsB 2 sucks and fan noise! Grr.

Of course the other option is wait for a 2014 retina MacBook Air.....

15inch is not that portable but is tempting.

i plan to go vietnam on my own with my camera gear to boot so i think a 15inch will be too heavy and large to lug around

 

[MoRT489]

Wow this thread ballooned 12 pages overnight Is the mini retina worth considering over the mini? Did they say when in Nov it will be released?

 

[SDK^]

I care.. I have a 32Gb Mini and would greatly benefit from more storage. I use the device exclusively when travelling for watching movies etc etc - being able to store more video would be of great benefit.

But not of enough benefit to spend $300 more on flash memory

The Mini 2 looks like everything the original Mini should have been.

Cheapskate

Just get one of those TB portable hard drives that links up to Apple Devices.

 

[JGBR]

Interestingly last year everyone said the 13inch RMBP was dead but now the 13MBA and 13RMBP are head to head fighting it out price wise and spec wise.

It purely comes down to a very close weight v screen nd the price is quite close. They've essentially saved the 13inch MBP.

What I have found out today is that my i7 in the MBA is better then the top CPU in the new RMBP. Which is odd.

I still think the 15inch MBP is the best looking around...shame about the weight..

 

[icedbullet]

I have iWork which I bought on a disk - I think I'm on Pages 4.3... will I get a free upgrade to 5 through the App Store update system?

I am in the same position as you. It doesn't look like we will get the free upgrade as in the App Store it doesn't show as an upgrade but remains available to buy full price.

 

[robfosters]

I suppose someone's gotta ask, I wonder what the stock levels will be like on launch. Have I got any hope of strolling along to the apple store on 5 nov and laying my grubby mutts on one? Or will I be sitting waiting until the new year?

 

[Somnambulist]

Definitely selling my 3rd gen iPad 64GB for the equivalent Air. My Mac Mini 2010 is getting a bit old in the tooth though - not sure whether I should go for a rMBP to hook up to my monitor, just get a refurb 2012 Mini on the cheap or hold out for a Retina iMac for an unknown amount of time. They wouldn't go on about the 4K display capability of the Pro without having a Retina Thunderbolt Display in the works...

 

[Vertigo]

So does anyone know when online pre-orders and shop purchases will start on Nov 1st? Midnight? 8am?

 

[Tejstar]

Wow this thread ballooned 12 pages overnight Is the mini retina worth considering over the mini? Did they say when in Nov it will be released?

Personally, I'm not seeing much of a reason to upgrade my mini to the latest version. Never had a problem with the lack of a retina display, the main reason for an upgrade here. Plus despite the beefier chipset, some of that will be negated by the need to push those extra pixels.

Here are the main differences between the iPad mini 2 and the iPad mini that I could find:

iPad mini 2

Depth: 7.5 mm
Weight (Wi‑Fi): 331 g
Weight (Wi‑Fi + Cellular): 341 g

2048x1536 resolution at 326 pixels per inch (ppi)

A7 chip with 64-bit architecture and M7 motion coprocessor

?1GB RAM? - Unknown right now

3x video zoom

MIMO

iPad mini

Depth: 7.2 mm
Weight (Wi‑Fi): 308 g
Weight (Wi‑Fi + Cellular): 312 g

1024x768 resolution at 163 pixels per inch (ppi)

Dual-core A5 chip

512MB RAM

 

[Nexus]

I don't see your argument. Are you implying that edit houses store all their content on the disks in the old Mac Pros instead of in some sort of asset management system? Individuals and very small business aren't buying SSD tiered shared storage arrays.

I'm not implying that at all. Infact most rental boxes for editing tend to only have a system drive in it, perhaps one extra for a bit of storage space. Yes they will be using some sort of networked storage, but where exactly are you going to put all the cards and similar you need inside the machine? Similarly, with no Mac Pro Server product, there is also no machine there to do the same.

I'm sure its possible to buy a miriard of boxes to connect to it which restore some of that functionality, but its expensive and a messy option.

You're wrong. It's too wide for a 19" rack unless you saw the handles off, and if standing up on a rack shelf counts as being rack mounted then the new Mac Pro can also be racked.

I just don't even know how to answer this....
As I said before, I've seen it rack mounted numerous times. I've probably even got a picture somewhere of where you can see it in the background.

 

[Rilot]

Well, it looks like I was wrong about the iPad Mini getting a retina display. I've been wrong before though

So, looks like my credit card is going to take a hammering next month.

I think I will buy:
iPad Mini Retina to replace my iPad 3
MacBook Pro 13" Retina to either replace or complement my MacBook Air.