I have nothing to share with our government, otherwise i would have.
David Cameron makes threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks
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I have nothing to share with our government, otherwise i would have.
Don't flatter yourself. Unless your some bomb-making-al-quieda-radical-suicide-bomber-supporter they don't care about you either, and apart form being some number in a computer system, won't even get noticed.
Do you have curtains at home?
And there we go...
Post all your Bank details, Credit Card info, Passwords etc. You have nothing to hide right? Oh wait.. You do have stuff to hide after all! How foolish of you.
Wow, you're part of the problem.
Yawn - spies are spying shock story! Let them get on with it as far as I'm concerned. They have every text, phone call and email I have made sat in a database along with the trillions of other bits on info. If you didnt think they were doing this then more fool you.
Couldn't agree more.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
I agree with you and should have made that clearer, I used your quote because it was the closest.
It was an isolated incident in the sense that it was two gust with knives, no calling or organisation needed, no imports or creation of explosives, training or any other difficult organisational needs. Basically two grumpy guys unaffiliated with a terror organisation. As you said communication and support are far more important than blanket evesdropping.
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Give it to the alternative media they will publish it without a scare in the world. The only remains of real investigate journalism outside of a few msm individuals (one who was recently murdered) is within the alternative media.
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Dont worry you have already shared everything that traverses a public network with the powers that be - like it or not
Apart from in civilised world your poem is completely irrelevenet. The day the Uk government starts locking people of arbitrarily ill tip my hat to you.
And what happens if some of those stolen documents contain names/photos of under-cover operatives, spies, police officers etc? People who are trying to do a job to keep us safe.
Exactly.
Yes, to keep the light out when I want to sleep. Otherwise anyone can come look in my living room or kitchen.
And there we go...
Post all your Bank details, Credit Card info, Passwords etc. You have nothing to hide right? Oh wait.. You do have stuff to hide after all! How foolish of you.
The idiocy of this post is just jaw dropping. And you call me the fool?
But hey, i'll entertain you. I have just emailed myself a copy of all my bank and credit cards (with CCV numbers) and a copy of all my currently used passwords. If GCHQ is watching, they can take a good look. At... my bank and credit card details... which Inland Revenue already have... snap? how about my passwords? Well... its already pretty obvious they dont need them
Please, explain how. Explain why you care that your yet another number in another database which will most likely never get picked up, or read by human eyes?
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No at least they are more honest about it, but the end result is the same - so why no outcry?
I believe that in the 1930s, the Nazis used Government data to help them round up Jews, Communists and dissidents. Not of course that any British Government would ever try to anticipate and stifle protest
Yes, that must be the reason why the UK government are after our data (most of which they already have by the way) - they obviously want to use it to put us all in gas chambers after the new world order plans come to fruition.
As to the NHS, I would love to hear your fascinating explanation as to how and why they are "filching your details" - perhaps they are selling them on to BUPA?
Well the NHS knows an awful lot about most people. Height, weight, allergies, operation history, mental issues, family history and propensity to diseases/conditions and so on. It is all recorded, and believe me there will be notes on the files of many people in the UK that they have no idea exist. How many people here have requested full disclosure of their own medical records? That data could potentially be far more useful to someone wishing to do you harm than what you said in your emails this week. Given the bungles in recent years with patient data being lost or 'misplaced' it does not take a genious to figure out someone with the know how (and there are many out there) can get hold of your medical records pretty easily. I myself have worked in hospitals and doctors surgeries, unsupervised in rooms chock full of medical records. No surveillance, no supervision. The same goes for server rooms, computer rooms and all sorts of places. If the government did decide they wanted to target specific people they already have the important data. Is their ability to read your texts and listen in on your calls really going to change anything? No it is just typical knee jerk indignation.
Yet because the actions of the government have been made fairly public we somehow feel we and our collective data is less safe and suddenly owed far more privacy than we have had for the last two decades. Seriously?
Same goes with the DVLA, your bank, the tax man and a whole host of others, they all have a lot of data on you and they all report in one way or another to the G-man, and they all suffer with security breaches.
Your details are not safe, nor sacred. To get on a pedestal regarding the government mining data is a little too late. The government has been in electronic possession of most peoples important data since the 90's. The rest is just chatter that they can filter to flag up key words, phrases, patterns - like a dragnet and then analyse that.
Very similar to how google works
As to the NHS, I would love to hear your fascinating explanation as to how and why they are "filching your details" - perhaps they are selling them on to BUPA?
errrm actually yes they are
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritics-fear-unprecedented-privacy-threat.html
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I doubt they do contain photos of under cover operatives. No news organisation or alternative news organisation would just post documents exposing individual identities.
That sort of information is not news worthy. Most likely reason is that the GCHQ are engaging in illegal activity that once exposed will result in them having to answer to the public for their illegal activity.
If they have nothing to hide (if they are doing nothing illegal) then they should have nothing to be concerned about.
That's how it works you see, one set of laws for everyone else and another set of laws for the authorities. This is what tyranny is all about. They are not accountable to anyone, they can run covert black ops and engage in illegal activity and get away with it, as long as they pretend its justified under the guise of "protecting freedom" or some other such non sense.
It comes back to the my argument against the NSA taking over encyrption. Who said that the NSA/GCHQ should be the only ones with encryption that no one else can crack? how is it reasonable that i can't keep anything a secret from the NSA/GCHQ. What happens if i don't trust the NSA/GCHQ to do the right thing? What happens if i don't think they have the public best interest at heart at all times? What happens when i think they have their own interest at heart and not the interests of the public? What happens when i inadvertently become classified as an insurgent because I don't trust the nsa? Am i still then expected to give the NSA/GCHQ the benefit of the doubt? They have not displayed any reason for me to trust these organisations, these organisations are borderline criminal at best and a global crime network at worse.
They run the show, you don't agree you are their enemy and you can be detained without charge, kept indefinitely and tortured, interrogated and murdered and nothing can be done about it. Do you realy think this is an organisation that should hold the keys to global encryption standards and mass surveillance?
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But thats exactly what the previous person was suggesting to post up?
As for the rest, well sucks to be you. Hope you sleep well at night with all that paranoia...
I know I sleep very well...
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Right pointing out the intelligence agencies might not be all heroes and wake up to save the day, does not mean i am paranoid or struggle to sleep. It just means i think past the james bond novels and police tv show propaganda that makes everyone think these organisations never engage in criminal activity.
Look at the war diaries leaks, the intelligence establishment was saying how this is going to lead to allies being killed and it will put uncover at risk etc. But no one died as a result. That same excuse has been used to cover up crimes by the state and its agencies for 100s of years. They always say that releasing information will put lives at risk.
Everything these organisations do is classified. If they have nothing to hide then what are they afraid of? If they are doing nothing wrong then what is the problem?
That same line is used against people by the likes of GCHQ when they moan about mass surveillance. I just turn it around and use it against them.
Look at the war diaries leaks, the intelligence establishment was saying how this is going to lead to allies being killed and it will put uncover at risk etc. But no one died as a result. That same excuse has been used to cover up crimes by the state and its agencies for 100s of years. They always say that releasing information will put lives at risk.
Everything these organisations do is classified. If they have nothing to hide then what are they afraid of? If they are doing nothing wrong then what is the problem?
That same line is used against people by the likes of GCHQ when they moan about mass surveillance. I just turn it around and use it against them.
The idiocy of this post is just jaw dropping. And you call me the fool?
But hey, i'll entertain you. I have just emailed myself a copy of all my bank and credit cards (with CCV numbers) and a copy of all my currently used passwords. If GCHQ is watching, they can take a good look. At... my bank and credit card details... which Inland Revenue already have... snap? how about my passwords? Well... its already pretty obvious they dont need them
Put your money where your mouth is and post all those personal details here for everyone to see or STFU, you're the one proclaiming for the 'Nothing to Hide' Brigade not me. You either have something to hide or you don't.
I'll give you a clue, you're going to look a complete muppet if you don't post those details, and you're going to look a complete muppet if you do.
Any enemy govt already knows the methods, camoron is just embarrassed that voters now know what low life fools their representatives are, the spying on Europe was for commercial reasons or blackmail of politicians.