No. Its a very rare thing..I have seen one.
Your views on the white poppy?
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No. Its a very rare thing..I have seen one.
No, but they (and all people in medicine for that matter) spend their saving other people. Without them the world would be dead. The soldiers would be dead too. I don't see how they're any different.
Alec you could go round all day like this.
Simple fact is a solider who gives his life to defend the country and that includes you should be remembered. And that also includes defending the Doctors saving other people if that makes you feel any better Alec.
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Also fine. That was a decent cause, as I said.
I'm saying remember the world wars, since then what's the point in people dying in the post WW wars, they are hardly protecting our freedoms, if we hadn't of invaded, Iraq, even the Falklands, was a waste of life. I'd put money on life being exactly the same in the west as it is now if we hadn't of got into Iraq or afghan
So the political position of the civilian leadership is what defines whether a soldiers sacrifice should be remembered or not?
Can we not simply remember those who gave their lives to defend this country regardless of whether we individually agree with the political decisions that led to that sacrifice?
Who knows, but as Castiel said below your post.
Which I think is the right way to carry on.
Also the Falklands, not a waste of life. You going to let any country say "I think we will take this" and just let them walk all over you as a nation?
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Was that war a waste of Argentinian soldiers lives?
They believe us to be 'walking all over them' as a nation.
war always has and always will be in our nature, wars have built empires and empires have fallen and will continue todo so until our technology is too advanced, ultimately leading to the extinction of the human race.
War IS normal and that's how it is. Look at the history of Europe and the Middle East for the last two thousand years. Countries have lived and died through wars and battles hundreds, if not thousands of times.
It's human nature, it will never change. There is no "enlightened, finished product" whereby we will never war. All we will do is find different ways to fight.
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War is normal? Poppycock. It's driven by greed, oil, Petri dollars. It's not normal, it is an abomination.
The average Argentinian citizen doesnt give a damn about the Falklands or Malvinas.
Its more of a political banner raised by the political parties in Argentina. Most citizens there are far more concerned by the rate of inflation, unemployment and football.
As for white poppies to have them on Rememberance day is disrespectful of the men and women who died in conflict and should be remembered - not have their sacrifice questioned.
Interesting point. I'm only learning about the white poppies tonight, but I doubt any of those who decide to wear them are being disrespectful to the men and women who have fought in war.
I agree with many here who would argue that the white poppy is very much a political cause whilst the traditional poppy is apolitical.
I suppose there's a separate question being touted: is it appropriate to question the idea of war during the Remembrance Period? I would say there's nothing wrong with doing so, and it's not disrespectful in the slightest to question war that we have been involved with.
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Any opinions on the current trend of wearing bedazzled poppies like a fashion accessory? Is it just me that finds it somewhat tacky?
I cannot stress enough how much i loathe what the OP said about nations and his Internationalist views. Almost as if being Nationalist means you are some kind of skinhead warmongerer intent on destorying all other rival nations. I would love to see this Communist wet dream of a NWO and see how there is still very much war. It has been done before it was called the USSR and everyone hated it.
And what the hell is a white poppy apart from a lame rip off attempt on the red poppy? The red poppy is hardly glorifying war otherwise we would be throwing a huge party and not this boring sad church orientated affair involving tea and old people who seem to be very sad about thier experience of war.
And what the hell is a white poppy apart from a lame rip off attempt on the red poppy? The red poppy is hardly glorifying war otherwise we would be throwing a huge party and not this boring sad church orientated affair involving tea and old people who seem to be very sad about thier experience of war.
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To me, wearing the Red Poppy, is to signify the end of war, the beginning of peace, but also to remember the soldiers who have fallen, regardless of what the political reasons behind that was.
Is it really that hard for us to remember people who have given their lives for our nation, for one day of the year at least? The Red poppy just brings people together in doing this, and doesn't let them be forgotten, as if their sacrifice is pointless in the eyes of everybody else.
To me, the poppy is a sign of gratitude, of thanks, to soldiers who have died, for I feel many of us have no other way to do this.
Is it really that hard for us to remember people who have given their lives for our nation, for one day of the year at least? The Red poppy just brings people together in doing this, and doesn't let them be forgotten, as if their sacrifice is pointless in the eyes of everybody else.
To me, the poppy is a sign of gratitude, of thanks, to soldiers who have died, for I feel many of us have no other way to do this.
This thread...I don't even...really guys? The red poppy is simply about remembering the sacrifice that men and women took to uphold civil liberty and freedom from tyranny. If you have no respect that millions of people gave their lives so that you may live your life freely now, then don't wear a poppy at all, red or white.
It's normal for the human race, Gilly, that's what I meant to say. It is an abomination, but for how long has the human race done abominable things? And it existed long before oil [retrieval] and Petri dollars. Greed.... greed is the irrevocable trait that drives it, and that's not going anywhere.
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