Buyers Remorse?

Launch titles are never that great. Look at the 360. Only decent game that was launched with it was Ghost Recon. It took 12 months for the portfolio of games to grow. Plus, while devs are still building games for 360, the One games will be compromised as the game engine has to be descaled to run on 360 so things like FIFA14, the crowd is better on One and the play is slightly more fluid. There's a feeling of playing in treacle on 360 but it's still very good. Next year, when 360 isn't being supported, then we'll see FIFA taken to new levels. I'm just using FIFA as an example.

Other One only titles that are launched now, are built around a console that's still currently in development. We've got two or three big big patches coming up over Christmas that's going to work on some minor issues and optimisations. So, developers have had to work with an ever changing playing field, very difficult!

As for price drop, it'll be at least 12 months before we see the price of One drop, that's from an official source. Wholesale price isn't set to drop anytime soon.

Peoples' arguments that the PS4 is more powerful is kind of mute. When you have hardware that doesn't change and is the same for everyone, then the game can be built for specifically for that hardware and as such, the hardware performs better. So, while PS4 may be more powerful, there'll be minimal difference between the two consoles.

On a latter point, both consoles come with 500GB HDD. Sony's is built in, as is Microsoft's, but...the Xbox One has support for external storage, albeit not hotswap capable. What this means is that, you're going to need to upgrade your HDD. No bother for the One but for the PS4, that's going to cause issue. You'll have to open up the console, clone the OS off your old HDD and basically, run a second system on existing hardware.

There's always going to be an argument that PCs are better, yes they're more powerful but, while the developers have to build games for systems that range from budget 5 year old machines to top of the range machines, the games will never exceed the experience that consoles provide, if they do, it's marginal. I've played games on both console and PC and the difference is negligible.

The PS4, in my opinion, is just an upgrade from the PS3. There's nothing amazing there that's going to take tech for consoles forward. The Xbox One on the other hand, has some truly amazing technology in it. 3 operating system, the Kinect hardware & software, the ability to distinguish between who is talking when 2 people are stood in front of it, just from mouth movement...the list goes on.

I personally don't yet own a One but have been playing on them for the last few months, as I have with the PS4. I'm waiting to get stock on Monday, but when I do get one...yes I'm sure I'll feel that it hasn't changed my life but...give it 12 months and we'll all be using it day in day out. Just needs some time.

PS...related to the decent PC argument. My system has cost me about £1,200 and I have two monitors. They're only 1080p but I'd consider my system high end. £2,000 is madness unless you want to say you have the biggest GFX willy about. Any frame rate above 60FPS isn't noticeable anyway. Not sufficient to require me to upgrade to a multi-thousand pound computer.
 
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Silly? grow up please. You sound much like the original poster, trolling for a fight.

You know fine well a decent modern PC is not built on a shoe string. If you want to cut corners then it can be very affordable, but you may as we'll stick with said consoles if that's the case.

Spoffle, you spec a PC that does 2560 x 1440 and plays today's games at a grand.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Gainward GeForce GTX 780 Phantom 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £389.99
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - OEM £179.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87-HD3 Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £95.99
1 x Seasonic G series 550w '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply £71.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Case - Black £65.99
1 x Toshiba 2TB 5700RPM SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ABA200) HDD £64.99
1 x SanDisk Pulse 128GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive - (SDSSDP-128G-G25) £62.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED38GM1600HC11DC01) £53.99
1 x Thermalright Macho 120 CPU Cooler £29.99
Total : £1,015.90 (includes shipping : FREE).



Could go cheaper as well and do it easy.

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YOUR BASKET
1 x VTX3D Radeon R9 290 "Voltage Unlocked" X-Edition 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £319.99
1 x AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 8320 Black Edition 3.50GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail £119.99
1 x Seasonic G series 550w '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply £71.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Case - Black £65.99
1 x Toshiba 2TB 5700RPM SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ABA200) HDD £64.99
1 x ASRock 970 Extreme3 R2.0 AMD 970 (Socket AM3+) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £62.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLD38G2133HC11ADC01) £59.99
Total : £765.92 (includes shipping : FREE).

 
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Silly? grow up please. You sound much like the original poster, trolling for a fight.

You know fine well a decent modern PC is not built on a shoe string. If you want to cut corners then it can be very affordable, but you may as we'll stick with said consoles if that's the case.

Spoffle, you spec a PC that does 2560 x 1440 and plays today's games at a grand.

Why does he need to grow up? Is behavior that you don't like or approve of, indicative of him being childish or immature?

Why bring up "on a shoe string"? There's a stark contrast between "on a shoe string" and £2000. They are almost polar opposites.

Spending under £2000 is not cutting corners, you'd have to go out of your way to spend £2000 for games, without a monitor on parts that won't really offer performance increases over cheaper parts.
 
PS...related to the decent PC argument. My system has cost me about £1,200 and I have two monitors. They're only 1080p but I'd consider my system high end. £2,000 is madness unless you want to say you have the biggest GFX willy about. Any frame rate above 60FPS isn't noticeable anyway. Not sufficient to require me to upgrade to a multi-thousand pound computer.

You certainly can see frame rates above 60FPS. This is just one of those myths that people accept unquestioningly.

At £1200, your PC won't be "high end", but that's aside from the argument above as to whether you need to spend £2000 on a PC for 2560x1440 gaming. The issue is that he's implying that £2000 is only "half decent" as well as being a must.
 
You would be happy with that? I wouldn't. I very much doubt that can do 60 fps in the likes of bf4 and upcoming titles at 2560.

Like I said, what's considered a decent PC is subjective at best.
 
You certainly can see frame rates above 60FPS. This is just one of those myths that people accept unquestioningly.

At £1200, your PC won't be "high end", but that's aside from the argument above as to whether you need to spend £2000 on a PC for 2560x1440 gaming. The issue is that he's implying that £2000 is only "half decent" as well as being a must.

Seriously, a £1200 pc won't be high end? Beg to differ. Might not be the best of the best but still high end.
 
You certainly can see frame rates above 60FPS. This is just one of those myths that people accept unquestioningly.

At £1200, your PC won't be "high end", but that's aside from the argument above as to whether you need to spend £2000 on a PC for 2560x1440 gaming. The issue is that he's implying that £2000 is only "half decent" as well as being a must.

What I was implying to the original poster is that he seems to expect PC grade gaming for console prices. What I consider PC grade gaming, and you or the next person, is down to personal preference on what is acceptable.
 
What I was implying to the original poster is that he seems to expect PC grade gaming for console prices. What I consider PC grade gaming, and you or the next person, is down to personal preference on what is acceptable.

But your wrong, way wrong. £630 spent on xbox, £100 more and could have a gtx 780 based system that would blow the X1 out of the water. I use my tv for all gaming, so no need for monitor.
 
Seriously, a £1200 pc won't be high end? Beg to differ. Might not be the best of the best but still high end.

Well see, how is something "high end" when there's a lot more powerful stuff available?

It can't be "high" if it isn't towards the top of the range. People tend to associate performance they get with how high up the "end" their hardware is. Like if the hardware they have is enough, or more than enough for what they need, I notice they tend to suggest they have high end hardware.

By suggesting that things that are in the middle of the range (or as known as mid-range) are high end just because it's fast, is changing what "high-end" means.
 
What I was implying to the original poster is that he seems to expect PC grade gaming for console prices. What I consider PC grade gaming, and you or the next person, is down to personal preference on what is acceptable.

PC grade gaming is on a range, and is also dependent on what games you play. It's not as simple as the absolutely statement you made before.

The point I was making is that people often grossly over exaggerate the hardware needed for PC games, and even more when it's anything over 1920x1080.

I know from personal experience what's required to run games on such hardware and I know for a fact that you simply do not need to spend £2000 to play games on a 2560x1440 monitor.

I've had some games running fine at 7680x1440 on a 6950 running at stock clocks, with maxed out settings.

No, I'm not stating that every game runs, but you'd be surprised how capable older or cheaper hardware actually is.
 
Well see, how is something "high end" when there's a lot more powerful stuff available?

It can't be "high" if it isn't towards the top of the range. People tend to associate performance they get with how high up the "end" their hardware is. Like if the hardware they have is enough, or more than enough for what they need, I notice they tend to suggest they have high end hardware.

By suggesting that things that are in the middle of the range (or as known as mid-range) are high end just because it's fast, is changing what "high-end" means.

A gtx 780 is high end according to nvidia, a system based around that is high end as long the rest of your system isn't ancient. A gtx 760 system would be mid range and below that low end gaming systems. Yes you can get more powerful systems by adding more cards In sli but they would also be high end. For £1200 you're looking at an sli gtx 780 system, that would be high end In pretty much anyone's books.
 
780 alone is worth £500, CPU £250, PSU £100 .....oh we have blown the budget.

The cheapest £780 here is £390, I'd expect you might find them cheaper in other places.

Why £250 for the CPU? That's not necessary at all. You don't *have* to spend £100 to get a good PSU either. You can buy very capable PSUs for half that.
 
780 alone is worth £500, CPU £250, PSU £100 .....oh we have blown the budget.

Yep when you can get a msi gtx 780 twin frozr for £377 delivered with 3 free games..... Perhaps you need think this through.

3570 or 4670 for sub £150 In fact any i5 CPU would do from sandy to haswell.

£50 for a good quality PSU.
 
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A gtx 780 is high end according to nvidia, a system based around that is high end as long the rest of your system isn't ancient. A gtx 760 system would be mid range and below that low end gaming systems. Yes you can get more powerful systems by adding more cards In sli but they would also be high end. For £1200 you're looking at an sli gtx 780 system, that would be high end In pretty much anyone's books.

You're focusing solely on the graphics cards, when it's more than just the graphics power, especially when using multi GPUs.

Also, the 780 is in the middle of nVidia's pricing range of graphics cards.

It's about half the price of a Titan, and the 780Ti is about £100 more.

nVidia can claim it's wherever they want it to be, but they are changing what "high" means. It's pointless classifying things as "high end", "ultra high end", "super mega supreme high end" and so on.

People just don't like the though that something is in the middle of the range, and if you look at it from an objective perspective, a 780, as demonstrated above, is right in the middle of nVidia's pricing range, ergo it's mid-range.

It says nothing about the performance, but that isn't how it works.
 
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