Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th November - 4th December 2013]

From my point of view a top manager is a top manager. There is no rule that says a top manager who achieves success from day one will drop off but if you stick with an average manager for years you will suddenly have a world beater who can do no wrong.

I know that we should give Moyes a chance but I see absolutely no advantage to keeping him if there is an opportunity to replace him with a proven world class manager. Football is not the same game it was 20 years ago. Drop off for a few seasons and you will find 4-5 teams are better than you, not perhaps just your closest rival.

We haven't exactly been attracting / buying the worlds best talent for the past few years (whether being unwilling to pay enough etc) whilst we have been winning the league most years so I can't see that we will find the task of recovery an easy one if we are not in that position. Moyes is unlikely to be a big attraction and if we are not competing for silverware then we may struggle. Rooney won't put up with it for much longer either if Chelsea keep knocking on the door which no doubt they will.
 
BaZ87 said:
I remember somebody using this as an excuse for Hodgson when he was at Liverpool. As I said then, when the team as a whole has the odd bad performance or if one or two players are putting in regular bad performances then you blame the players but when the team as a whole is regularly under performing then you look to the manager.

As you say Robbo, we know that the side is capable of playing to a far higher standard so why aren't they? It's the managers job to get the best out of the players and for whatever reason, whether he can't motivate them or whether it's a result of his tactics, he's failing to do so.
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You aren't wrong, and if it continues the buck will have to stop with the manager, but as G|mp just said above, we have been fairly good at times (unless it was just the other teams being utterly awful, and Bayer weren't particularly good for example at all).

drunkenmaster said:
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I can't really disagree with much of that at all. He's shown very little willingness to change things except for booting out the entire backroom staff, which wasn't a good idea in my opinion. Our entire first team management has been replaced with that of Everton which isn't something that's ideal.

I suppose we're expected to wait while he 'evolves' and starts going for wins, but so far there's little evidence of that happening. :(
 
Purdy said:
Shagging your brothers wife doesn't get much mention, bit worse than a dive, bite or sleeping with a team mates ex
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Nothing to do with football though is it?

He was a **** for doing it but again, as a footballer he's a model professional, can Luis say the same? ;)
 
G|mp said:
Nothing to do with football though is it?

He was a **** for doing it but again, as a footballer he's a model professional, can Luis say the same? ;)
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So how you are as a human being is football related instead of something of real importance, ;D?
 
G|mp said:
Exactly.

I would say that there has only been Rooney that is performing anywhere near his best out of the entire squad.

The rest of the squad are operating at 75% of their capabilities.
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Bit harsh on Carrick when he has been available, but apart from those two I would probably agree with you.

RvP, Rooney, De Gea , Rafael, Evra, Carrick and Kagawa are probably the only players who are 1st XI material for a club the size of Utd (and Evra is debatable from the way he plays / his age). Admittedly you cant include RvP , Rooney and Kagawa in their best positions which is a drawback.

Jones, Smalling , Evans, Valencia, Chicharito (and Januzzaj, who isnt there yet but should be looking to cememt 1st team spot in the next year or so) are decent squad players and personally I would even include Clvereley in that bunch too.

Not that I see it happening, but the rest should be allowed to leave / be sold asap with new blood pushing though (like Keane brothers and a few notable others) along with some high profile purchases.

Top four is still easily do-able, and thats what the club should have been aiming for with a new manager anyway (even before the disaster that was the summer transfer window). Hopefully some new players will arrive in Jan and a few more in the summer.

Even with the current level of debt, with the Chev shirt deal starting next season and the probable new Nike deal starting the year after Im not concerned at all with the income side of things (which is usually the main concern when any club drop from its usual position temporarily or not)
 
Robbo said:
I can't really disagree with much of that at all. He's shown very little willingness to change things except for booting out the entire backroom staff, which wasn't a good idea in my opinion. Our entire first team management has been replaced with that of Everton which isn't something that's ideal.

I suppose we're expected to wait while he 'evolves' and starts going for wins, but so far there's little evidence of that happening. :(
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I think changing back room team was his biggest mistake so far. I can understand wanting to put your own stamp on things but he should really have took on Fergies team to help him bed in then phase them out over time as settled and got used to the job.

The more I see of him and ManU the more he looks out of his depth.
 
No1newts said:
I think changing back room team was his biggest mistake so far. I can understand wanting to put your own stamp on things but he should really have took on Fergies team to help him bed in then phase them out over time as settled and got used to the job.

The more I see of him and ManU the more he looks out of his depth.
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Every single manager who joins a new team bring in their own team straight away, Im not sure how Moyes can be blamed for that.
 
No1newts said:
I agree he's like a child dizzy on lemonade, even though I'm enjoying watching Arsenal he almost makes me want to see them lose so he goes back in his box.
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umm dont u want it the other way round? when we were losing im the first here to have a moan and always posting yet now we are winning u hardly see me around.

You got your **** mixed up

edit: if we win the league this season i wont post in the following season in here:)
 
Purdy said:
So how you are as a human being is football related instead of something of real importance, ;D?
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We're talking about these people because of football, being a professional is both football and humanly related, being a **** on the pitch as well as a racist is a lot worse than shagging your brothers wife.

Giggs is a **** for what he did to his brother but lets be sensible about this, it's one crime, not a catalogue.

FrankJH said:
Bit harsh on Carrick when he has been available, but apart from those two I would probably agree with you.
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Not really, Carrick has been somewhere short of his best this season as well, maybe that was down to the injury but either way, he's not performed.

Come on Arsenal!!
 
Davey_Pitch said:
You do realise the season ends on May don't you, not December?
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It's as though he didn't see all the other dramatic Arsenal collapses post Xmas. I like Arsenal and always defended wenger and I'm not a Arsenal supporter but part of me really wouldn't mind seeing them collapse again just to watch them want wenger gone again.
 
BaZ87 said:
You never answered my question last night Purdy. You love Suarez again, don't you?
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His ability and when he scores I love(or winding people up on here) , he's a nob though, not 'our nob' anymore to me either.

Still, probably the best four goals you'll see from one player in a game and the best Liverpool player I've ever watched

If he stays for years then I'll love him again, summer ruined it

Also gimp still not proven racist, nor would one use of a racist term make you one really, just an utter ****. However I can't see how you can compare diving and biting are even close to doing your brothers wife, especially one who looked up to you who only had one thing and you take it away. Other than the inevitable rapists in the league or any other serious crimes giggs is the largest ****
 
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JohnnyG said:
Chelsea were a shambles defensively at times last night but Hazard's performance was the best I've seen from anyone in a Chelsea shirt for ages. He was simply unplayable, Sunderland had 2 sometimes 3 players on him and he made them look like mugs constantly, he was amazing, 2 cracking goals too. :)
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He was superb last night but the leaking of goals continues to be a worry and there won't be serious challenge until the lax defending is sorted out.
 
Purdy said:
Also gimp still not proven racist, nor would one use of a racist term make you one really, just an utter ****. However I can't see how you can compare diving and biting are even close to doing your brothers wife, especially one who looked up to you who only had one thing and you take it away. Other than the inevitable rapists in the league or any other serious crimes giggs is the largest ****
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That's conjecture though, I'm not really arsed about what or who Giggs does off the pitch. He didn't do it publicly, it was done behind closed doors.

I would have as well, she was tasty.
 
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