Uruguay becomes first nation to legalise marijuana trade

canman said:
well I guess you will shoot me down here.... but soft drugs aka cannabis can lead to harder drugs

and yes I think all of my friends that smoked weed moved on to class A drugs.

but hey that could be just my friends.
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I think it's a case of there being a natural progression, and we all choose how far we want to go. But there's always a bigger step between the legal and illegal stuff. If MJ wre legal, then that big step would follow MJ, rather than being before it.
 
krooton said:
Only if purchased, most people would self-grow to a degree, and they don't currently tax home vegetable gardens. :p
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well they could sell licenses to grow allowing people to grow up to 5 plant's or something.
I'd imagine more people would grow than they do now as well so more people would be buyings fans , carbon filters , hps lamps , ballasts , grow tents etc which isn't exactly cheap so there is the extra tax revenue from that.

if there were coffee shops then I'm sure they would be popular as well.

it could also have the side effect of people spending less money on alcohol and stoned people aren't aggressive and abusive causing such a nuisance like drunks do..

I'd expect that so save the NHS money as well as stoned people aren't likely to end up in A&E
 
Nate Silvers said:
The stuff should be banned just because it stinks. If it became legal to trade it or grow it I'd hate to live next door to a grower the smell is nauseous.
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Ban deoderants too, I hate the smell of most of them. Get right up my nose.

Seriously, you've gotta be trolling. If not, you should remove yourself from the gene pool, seriously. You want something banned because of YOUR subjective perception? God, you nazis are everywhere.
 
Freefaller said:
Again it's also my own personal preconception and stigma I have towards drugs. :) So my opinion is somewhat skewed, but I wouldn't want to work in an office where I knew there were people that took drugs regularly.
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There's a fair chance you already have.. It's not something most people would share unless they really know who they're talking to because as you say, most people don't want that "druggy" stigma attached to them.

My colleagues have no idea, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be at all impressed if they knew.

Apparently, 6.6% of the nation smoked it in 2010 in England and Wales (16-59 year olds). That figure is only for smoking it once though, I couldn't find the figures for regular use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cannabis_use_by_country
 
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As long as they perform well, and do not cause danger to any others (or myself) then it's fine. In my industry though I'd question the sort of person that would actively do it though. However, in an office based environment other than cocking up a sale or work then you've only got yourself to blame and don't put anyone in a compromised position.

My fear would be any health implications and what they're doing to themselves which may cause them to go off sick, or change in behaviour (which is feasible with any form of drugs, but I accept also psychological problems not directly related to drugs as well).

I guess it's unfair to stigmatise occasional drug users if it doesn't affect them - but then surely that goes against the whole point of a drug? My fear is addiction, and dependency, and behavioural changes - which then of course alters people's ability to perform and interact with others in what most would consider a "normal" fashion.

I'm sort of anti drugs, because I don't "get" them... but at the same time as long as it doesn't affect anyone else then I guess there's no problem. Alcohol currently has a huge amount of issues with people abusing it - I guess it's no different. I think if people use them responsibly then there's no issue with that at all - unfortunately as we can see from alcohol in this country, people don't know self restraint.
 
canman said:
well I guess you will shoot me down here.... but soft drugs aka cannabis can lead to harder drugs

and yes I think all of my friends that smoked weed moved on to class A drugs.

but hey that could be just my friends.
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I presume you include alcohol and tobacco in that statement? If not why not?

What you actually mean is people buying weed end up associating with people that also sell harder drugs. That is one of the arguments for making it legal and regulated. Legalizing soft drugs like weed and Extacy/MDMA would help disassociate less dangerous drugs from more dangerous drugs and criminals. Just look at alcohol and tobacco alongside prohibition in the US.

Unfortunately out government don't seem to want to listen to scientific evidence and would prefer to continue on the media fuelled path that states dangerous drugs like tobacco should be legal and less dangerous and damaging drugs like extacy shouldn't. At least they got heroin in the right place...
 
Amp34 said:
I presume you include alcohol and tobacco in that statement? If not why not?

What you actually mean is people buying weed end up associating with people that also sell harder drugs. That is one of the arguments for making it legal and regulated. Legalizing soft drugs like weed and Extacy/MDMA would help disassociate less dangerous drugs from more dangerous drugs and criminals. Just look at alcohol and tobacco alongside prohibition in the US.

Unfortunately out government don't seem to want to listen to scientific evidence and would prefer to continue on the media fuelled path that states dangerous drugs like tobacco should be legal and less dangerous and damaging drugs like extacy shouldn't. At least they got heroin in the right place...
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spot on!
 
What happens when the market is regulated is that the legal sale of cannabis, which is done through coffee shops and medicinal cannabis dispensaries is not cheap and is too a high standard, because the costs associated with the production have gone up. This eventually takes over a lot of the entire market but you will always have people growing their own and selling amongst their friends. But if a guy is thinking of growing and selling and cannabis is legal, then he has to consider the wider market now. It may not even be worth growing to sell because he can't compete with the legitimate market. Eventually the legitimate market takes over completely, who grows their own tobacco ? (with the price tobacco is I am surprised it is not more popular) some people make their own alcohol but that is looked at as more of a past time/hobby and an art. Cannabis growing would eventually end up like that as well.

Set up a massive indoor hydroponic tobacco grow with like 500 plants, 2 stage set up. The look on the cops when they see its just tobacco, priceless.
 
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groen said:
What happens when the market is regulated is that the legal sale of cannabis, which is done through coffee shops and medicinal cannabis dispensaries is not cheap and is too a high standard, because the costs associated with the production have gone up. This eventually takes over a lot of the entire market but you will always have people growing their own and selling amongst their friends. But if a guy is thinking of growing and selling and cannabis is legal, then he has to consider the wider market now. It may not even be worth growing to sell because he can't compete with the legitimate market. Eventually the legitimate market takes over completely, who grows their own tobacco ? (with the price tobacco is I am surprised it is not more popular) some people make their own alcohol but that is looked at as more of a past time/hobby and an art. Cannabis growing would eventually end up like that as well.

Set up a massive indoor hydroponic tobacco grow with like 500 plants, 2 stage set up. The look on the cops when they see its just tobacco, priceless.
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half the cannabis in the UK seems to be imported from American states where it's legally bought ;)
 
I don't think any tobacco is grown in the UK. These days i don't think there is much imported cannabis. If it does come through it will be lower quality from africa or islands. I don't think much comes from the usa. I think a lot tobacco is imported from the us though.
 
Dis86 said:
Most of it is grown here in the uk...
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not according to the silkroad and tormarket listings

Maybe the crap quality stuff you get on the street probably is and most likely not properly cured either.

I don't smoke it since about 10 years ago, just take an interest in SR/TM because of btc/ltc
 
groen said:
I don't think any tobacco is grown in the UK. These days i don't think there is much imported cannabis. If it does come through it will be lower quality from africa or islands. I don't think much comes from the usa. I think a lot tobacco is imported from the us though.
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I was watching a polica camera action style show, that said, with the rise of eastern European and Asian gangs. So many house are being used as grow houses that we now export weed rather than import.
 
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