Oh the old "if I agree with it, the Bible is literally true but if I don't then it's a metaphor" argument.
Did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his own son, yes or no?
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Oh the old "if I agree with it, the Bible is literally true but if I don't then it's a metaphor" argument.
Did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his own son, yes or no?
Estebanrey and ignorance generally go together in these sort of threads.
Oh the old "if I agree with it, the Bible is literally true but if I don't then it's a metaphor" argument.
Did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his own son, yes or no?
If you're faith is that of atheism then let it be that
I'm assuming you don't believe in the bible. But you seem to believe in the 'negative' things there are in the bible.
Parables. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable
Um no, atheism is an absence of faith.
What.
My answer? I don't know. Why?
long version
- Well, does God exist? (if yes, go to next question)
- Did Abraham exist? (if yes, go to next question)
- Does God speak to humans? (if yes, go to next question)
- Will god tell someone to kill his own son? (if yes, go to next question)
- Did he actually want him to kill him? (if yes, go to next question)
- He did stop him just before killing him.... (if yes, go to next question)
- Did he feel guilty and stop him? Or did he want to get something else from this? (if yes, go to next question)
- But he is God, can he feel guilty?
You see, there is no answer. I don't know. You don't know. I think its quite obvious that since he didn't go through with he, he doesn't actually want him to kill his son.... if the story is true.
Personally, I don't believe in a lot that the church says, except its morals.
Surely the fact that there's so much "negative" stuff in the bible (endorsing slavery, genocide, torture, murder, bigotry...), means you shouldn't take the rest of it seriously? By all means, cherry pick your morals from the bible. Pick out the good bits and ignore the bad. But at least admit that's what you're doing. And at least acknowledge that if you have to cherry pick like that, you shouldn't hold the bible in particularly high esteem?
You don't know? And yet I'm the ignorant one?
I'll give you a clue, the answer is yes, he did.
That's not the point though, the point is Abraham was so brainwashed into believing God trumped everything that he was prepared to do so. The correct answer from Abraham should have been "my God would never ask such a thing and therefore you are demon sent to test me" and had that been the Biblical story then there would have been a morsel of morality to the story. However, as it stands it tells Christians they should obey God at all times (including the sacrificing of their children should he so ask) and then just hope God changes his mind. What kind of morality is that?
Because molesting choir boys and encouraging millions of AIDs infected Africans to not use condoms is highly moral?
Ah, so you know what happened based on the fact that the bible says so? But you don't believe in the bible, so you don't believe this argument either.
Then again, if you certainly know what happened, can I ask you about stuff that happened 2000 years ago, and you can answer me?
Again, before accusing me of ignorance by the back door, please show me where i was wrong in suggesting that the Bible tells a story where God asks a man to kill his own son.
Unless you can prove I've made that up and it doesn't appear in the Bible you
are in no position to claim ignorance on my part.
Yep you are right, that story is in the bible. Do you want a medal? I don't see what point you are trying to make with it.
Its not as if we see thousands of people sacrificing their firstborn sons in the name of their religion, and I think even the halfwit stoner in my RE class managed to figure out the point of that particular story, even if he did not believe in it. Yet you imply that the OP's Mrs would try and sacrifice their child? Come on even for your fundamentalist atheist views that's a little tenuous.
You always start banging on about proof in these sorts of threads too. The whole point of religion is that people who ascribe to a religious belief system do so on faith and to have faith as far as I understand it you don't need proof.
What you are unable or unwilling get you head around is that believing in something without proof is ok.
Amazing. Despite completely missing, or ignoring, my point, you proved it wonderfully.
Thanks.
You can go back to your religion bashing now, it was boring the first time the topic came up and it is even more so the 100th time around. Dress it up with all the fancy words and structured arguments you like it still boils down to you desperately yearning to shoot down anyone who thinks differently to you by beating over the same ground time and time again. Almost religious in your single mindedness which I guess is ironic given your stance.
/Salsa