Why should we accept and accommodate people being fat?
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I agree entirely. But i just want you to see things can snowball without being a greedy lard.
Again, most (close to all) massively obese people are from bad food and too much, but it's never a single choice.
It's more likely the fat toast man gets 15lbs overweight, and suddenly thinks bugger it what harm could a pizza do.
Then they're overweight they know it, they need to fix it, but it's not the end of the world they can have a few beers and fix it later.
Suddenly a year later they 25lbs overweight, far more unhealthy than they should be and stuck in a desk job where they get the vending machine snacks every few hours. But it's ok, they're not obese just pudgy. They'll just fix it soon... but by now pizza and beer is the routine, they don't stop and think ever "should i eat this" they just do it. Everyone KNOWS not to eat bad, but you don't ever stop and suddenly think about it whenever youre hungry, you just want to be full and happy.
and... snowball.
Anyway a thought i had just now: You shouldn't argue about it unless you're at your exact perfect weight. I mean PRECISELY healthy, and with that meaning you can exercise properly. You can be skinny but unhealthy as all hell.
If you're 1lb, 2lbs 5lbs overweight and not fixing it right this very second, it's a bit hypocritical to be in this thread?
IF you're perfect weight but can't do cardio, you're at risk of a heart attack more than you say,...
Just thinking pretty much everyone in this thread is hypocritical of possibly being a danger category for health reasons later on in life. Bit hypocritical to pick up on one of them only.
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insinuating you don't give someone medical treatment when they have a heart attack, is the same damn thing.
Regardless of if it's their fault they're at higher risk or not.
Just went through the thread again, one person said the NHS shouldn't fund treatment. Nobody agreed with them, I and others actively disagreed.
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Nice attempt at implying something that isn't there. If it was a stupid bloke I would have said so but it wasn't.
For the record, I don't hate or resent fat people, that would be insane. I do hate the people that present it as something to be embraced or some unfortunate accident they inherited. It's crazy that people would rather start a campaign to be accepted as normal instead of, you know, eating a bit better.
I think the bigger problem is actually the lack of exercise that fat people do, not the food they eat.
It is very hard to lose weight by diet alone. Fat is an incredible food store and few hundred calories less here and there will take a fat person a very long time to get thin.
I and most people that go to the gym, end up eating more than we did when we weren't going, yet lose weight/grow muscle.
The problem for me isn't food as such (although it exacerbates the situation and current food prices don't help)
The problem is finding time or the energy to have the level of commitment necessary. I'm at the age where my friends are having children, and almost all of them have little or no time to exercise now, and as a result have all gained weight. Most fat women you see on the street are pushing babies.
To answer the OP's thread, no we should not accomodate fat people, however something needs to be done within the community, or the mind of people to exercise more. Followed by imo, some sort of crackdown on food producers to add less fat, salt, etc.
It is very hard to lose weight by diet alone. Fat is an incredible food store and few hundred calories less here and there will take a fat person a very long time to get thin.
I and most people that go to the gym, end up eating more than we did when we weren't going, yet lose weight/grow muscle.
The problem for me isn't food as such (although it exacerbates the situation and current food prices don't help)
The problem is finding time or the energy to have the level of commitment necessary. I'm at the age where my friends are having children, and almost all of them have little or no time to exercise now, and as a result have all gained weight. Most fat women you see on the street are pushing babies.
To answer the OP's thread, no we should not accomodate fat people, however something needs to be done within the community, or the mind of people to exercise more. Followed by imo, some sort of crackdown on food producers to add less fat, salt, etc.
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Ever heard the "I've got a slow metabolism" excuse then another day you see the person scoffing bars of dairy milk.
Pretty much what most people are missing in this thread.
You won't find an obese person who wouldn't chose to be skinny if it was as easy as flicking a switch. The motivation / commitment required to make change and sustain said change is enormous. It can be done, plenty of people have, but it requires massive amounts of will power.
It seems to be the opinion in this thread that it's easy, if it were then there wouldn't be fat people.
Calling BS. That's such a stereotype, never in my life have i heard someone use that or big boned as an excuse for being fat.
You can go one further than this. The thing is, the acid test is when you know you're overweight and then you decide to do nothing.
I'll tell you what I mean. Years ago I used to eat out with my then-gf a lot. Over the course of a couple of years I very gradually got fat. I didn't know this was happening. Well, I did know I was putting on weight, but it was so gradual I didn't know how much. Then one day I weighed myself and got a bit of a shock. I thought, "**** this, I'm a lardass" and instantly went on an eight month lifestyle change and lost four stone.
That's the thing. Putting on weight gradually and not knowing how large you are is kind of permissible. But when you know you're fat and do nothing about it, that's inexcusable.
They are made to buy 2 seats aren't they? Which is entirely fair imo.
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a lot of people get offended by being called thin, a lot of people get abused for being thin.
The frustrating thing is that the choice to do nothing about it is, in reality, an absence of any kind of decision at all.
Oh the joys of auto corrective text assistance. Or is it fat fingers?
Indeed, it's probably no one choose "nah i'll decide to get more fat" its probably more along the lines of "i'll sort it another time".
No, you can make a decision to do nothing, just as you can make a decision to do something.
The legal types here would agree. You can be just as culpable by an act as by an omission to act.
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This is where I am now (although I could never eat that much food in a normal meal). I have been in a stable relationship for 5 and a half years and my girlfriend told me on Sunday evening that she doesn't feel the same way anymore and she is leaving me. I haven't actually changed in weight since I met her and I didn't feel like I needed to change weight. She has told me that it is nothing to do with my weight but it is always the one thing at the back of my mind that I really wanted to change.
Over the past 4 days I have been on holiday sat alone in the house thinking about everything. I don't want to lose her, she is everything to me and made my life complete but I know that over the past year I put work before her which I completely regret. I was just trying to make sure she had everything she needed and all she actually needed was me by her side
It has been a complete kick up the bum for me to sort my life out, I am joining a gym and stopping all takeaways etc. Due to the hours and times I have been working it's been easy to log onto just-eat etc to order food and not have to worry about cooking it. I have been eating at stupid times of the day and also been snacking on chocolate that I didn't actually need. When I felt depressed because I wasn't with my girlfriend/work was stressing me out I used to comfort eat. All of this needs to and hopefully will stop. I need to show her that I am still the person she loved.
Instead of constantly working 70/80/90 hour weeks I am going to work just my normal hours, make sure I head out to the gym at least 3 times a week. Stress from work has changed my personality and I hate it. I have spoken to quite a few people and like yourself people say that going to the gym/exercising will be a great way to de-stress.
I have decided I needed to make a choice and I want that choice to be her. I can live without the money but I can't live without her. I know this isn't going to be easy and it might not get her back but I need to try.
As for why I am this size, I have always been big all through my life. The rest of my family have always been very thin and when I was a kid I used to eat properly. Later in life when I went to uni the drink/cheap pizzas etc didn't help and it went out of control from there.
I have tried multiple times to lose the weight. There was one time in particular that sticks in my mind and it was when I was at the gym (must have been 25/26 at the time). I had lost 3 stone and was on quite a high when I heard a couple of guys talking behind me making fun of my weight. It just destroyed me when this happened. I have never been a confident person and I feel very uncomfortable when put in social situations so I was already out of my comfort zone. I don't know why I did it but I then just stopped and went back to my old ways.
Anyway sorry for the ramblings and thank you for posting. You are a role model for people like me that need to lose weight!
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Well done on losing so much.
If people are happy like that, to each their own. But our society shouldn't be encouraging it, catering for it.
To those people stating that people should just eat less, have you not considered the psychological addictions that people get from eating? It is very well known that sugar is addictive.
I agree that we should not be encouraging obesity but it isn't as simple as dismissing the overweight as lazy or lacking the will to change.
I agree that we should not be encouraging obesity but it isn't as simple as dismissing the overweight as lazy or lacking the will to change.
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You misunderstand me, and that is probably my fault for being ambiguous.
This was the point I was trying to make. Inaction is just as bad as deliberate action.
What's frustrating is that we have all suffered from inaction at some point in our lives and it's just a shame that, in this case (dangerously over or under weight) the consequences are more evident.