It is a big deal actually and it's not about time it's about stupid religious beliefs worming their way into everyday life in British society. Our public places should be secular. Keep the superstitious nonsense at home or in the mosque and don't bring it to work with you and don't try and change our laws so you can get special treatment at everyone else's expense !
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It is a big deal actually and it's not about time it's about stupid religious beliefs worming their way into everyday life in British society. Our public places should be secular. Keep the superstitious nonsense at home or in the mosque and don't bring it to work with you and don't try and change our laws so you can get special treatment at everyone else's expense !
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I don't see why the customer should have to wait because someone refuses to do the job they signed up for.
Pretty sure if I stopped doing things at my work, for fear of upsetting my imaginary creator, I'd be fired...
Would you like us to censor anything negative about muslims? (as in above and beyond the normal level of liberal fascist censorship in here).
This is the whole point, every time yet another overly excited muslim tries to disrupt established British culture with yet another thing they don't like about the UK, it deserves reporting on. How far do you think I would last in Saudi pulling the same stunts without being jailed?
People generally don't like their culture being pee'd on by people with different ideas about how to run things, and religious nutters come bottom of the pile of people to give a flying nut about. This is why we now have access to abortion and Sunday trading (although personally I disagree with the latter).
In the long run this kind of reporting will be good for the community, nutters need the Michael taken out of them continually, the more serious and earnest they are about their sky pixie the more they need to be savagely ripped into, the more they feel shunned by normal people the more they will stop trying to behave like retards and just fit in with everyone else. Stop pretending to feel hard done by all the time, evangelicals are treated the same way.
Hopefully M&S will feel equally shamed and go back to treating all staff equally, instead of grovelling snot faced to the religion of permanent outrage.
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We all know your stance on muslims bitslice but surely even you should see that, that article is actually a prime example of how islamaphobia is promoted by certain tabloids in the uk.
lest you didn't see my quote from that article:
So to talk about this M&S policy being JUST a muslim thing is bordering on prejudice. Typical responses here on OCuk showing how people are quick to jump on the bandwagon without reading the darn article properly and getting their facts straight.
lest you didn't see my quote from that article:
So to talk about this M&S policy being JUST a muslim thing is bordering on prejudice. Typical responses here on OCuk showing how people are quick to jump on the bandwagon without reading the darn article properly and getting their facts straight.
And you dont see any issue with that quote?
Its not about muslims, its about religion. Well at least for some of us.
Why should religiuse beliefs be anymore important than any personal belifes?
M&s should remove religion from that policy and replace it with belife and apply it to the entire work force. Why does it matter if your belife matches that of a big religious institute.
If vegies dont want to handle meat they shouldnt etc. with such a policy.
The second point is what is the actual law. Could m&s actually sack someone for not declaring they wont handle x/y/z just like you can fire people for not declaring medical. If so then great, its a company going above and beyound the law. But as you cant base stuuff on religion, does this mean a company can't filter out such people.
I od dislike how laws have religion in them, they shouldnt. They should all be replaced with belife.
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Well put mate.
Now THIS I agree with - its simple as far as I see it - don't want to perform part of a job? - well don't work there! - simples.
However - If the past four pages had been a discussion about the impact of religions in the retail market, then I'd be more than happy to accept that. However it is NOT. It's primarily focused around singling out muslims using this 'case-by-case' policy.....all thanks to sensationalist reporting by some pathetic tabloid.....
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I think you'll find a fair few who are not just based on mulsims. Although obviusly others are.
Allthough the helmet talk is muslim talk, as generally other groups do not cover the face. But the issue isnt that they are muslim, its that the rule is applied differently to different groups.
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Everybody should have to do what they are contracted to. I don't like what I have to print but I get paid to do it.
If you don't like it **** ***.
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My local newsagent is a Muslim, yet he has no problem supplying me with my usual order of Vodka, Pork Scratchings and Razzle magazine.
I print the Daily Mail, does it give me the right to not print it on occasion (well mostly) that I don't agree with the editorial content? no, because it's my job
There is a special place in hell reserved for you with child molesters and people who talk at the cinema!
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what about if I didn't want to be served by a muslim?
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Yes, entirely agree, papers need to sell their product and like any good marketing professional they will know which buttons to press to create fear and dislike. The actual story is irrelevant so long as it can be spun.
Well actually the Christian/Jewish Sunday/Saturday has some support in the bible, or like issues such as cross wearing they have some cultural tradition to support their use (which then fails to be supported in law
)However simply touching pork/alcohol is something this girl has made up and is nothing to do with Islam.
The issue I have is of some muslims playing companies for idiots by saying "OMG this is haraam, I refuse to do this", and solely because HR pussys don't want to deal with a religious grey area they roll over. Because Christians/Jews don't tend to make the same fuss then the perception becomes that it is always muslims that are outraged, and always over something the rest of us regard as ludicrously trivial or retarded.
Whenever this happens the rest of the muslim community is silent or claim not to know this person, which then reinforces the idea that this issue applies to all muslims, which it clearly doesn't. The MCB is one massive waste of time.
It really is the responsibility of religious people not to do jobs which conflict with their personal beliefs, not for companies to later accommodate those beliefs.
So Christians should not work for B&B's where gay people might wish to stay, they should not work for abortion clinics and they should not counsel people that faith in god will solve their medical problem.
Muslims should not work in a butchers or a wine shop.
Personal responsibility means not allowing your private beliefs to be pushed in the face of others. It's offensive and arrogant and it seems only non religious people can see this.
The person you're replying to is correct - abandoning Islam is clearly stated to be far worse than consuming (let alone just handling) alcohol or food that doesn't conform to the arbritrary orders given by Islam. Strictly speaking, the required penalty for apostacy in Islam is death.
So yes, it would make more sense for a Muslim to refuse to serve an ex-Muslim with anything than it would for a Muslim to refuse anyone with alcohol.
As for the previous example you dismissed (clothing), that's simply a less clear area. The Qu'ran itself doesn't give explicit details as to what arbritrary orders regarding clothing are to be imposed on people for the sake of enforcing obedience, but some other Islamic writing does. Some Muslims do interpret wearing various items of clothing as an Islamic rule, so the example is still valid.
Reasoning and intelligence are completely irrelevant to religion.
They're increasing the power of their religion. They would consider that to be for the greater good of humanity.