Washington and Colorado just legalised cannabis

You linked to a report on suicides :confused: Mental health issues, as I am sure you are aware, go far broader than that.

I looked at the graph which showed young males are significantly more likely to kill themselves than young females, which confirms everything I have been saying regarding young males and increased referrals for mental health issues though.

I linked a whole body of research which you didn't read.

If we assume that a constant proportion of mentally ill people commit suicide then a reduced suicide rate directly contradicts the statement that the number of mental health cases has meteorically increased, it suggests the exact opposite.
 
I linked a whole body of research which you didn't read.

If we assume that a constant proportion of mentally ill people commit suicide then a reduced suicide rate directly contradicts the statement that the number of mental health cases has meteorically increased, it suggests the exact opposite.

Agreed. But without going through all the reports it could be that Schizophrenia, say, has increased while suicides decreased perhaps. I couldn't find that info on the WHO pages. I did find the data which showed the number of countries across the globe who are using anti-psychotic drugs to manage Cannabis withdrawal symptoms though.

I read the suicide one you linked directly to but there was a lot of reading on that page. I will pass the link to my wife though as she may find some of it helpful for her job, cheers.

What I can conclude at the moment is:

1. The study by York university has shown the number of cases of individuals admitted to hospital for cannabis psychosis treatment has increased since 1999.
2. My wife, who deals with mental health issues as part of her job, has seen more and more people coming to her with cannabis psychosis to the point where it is now the most common issue she deals with when young people are referred to her for support. Her most common referral is a young male.
3. The WHO research linked showed young males were significantly more likely to commit suicide in 2009 than young females.

We could go round and round in circles arguing the toss but the above points suggest to me that strong cannabis isn't helping the mental health situation amongst young males in the UK.

I hope my posts don't come across painting me as a total anti-cannabis campaigner for I am far from it; I have lived in Holland, grew up in the 90s club scene and am a liberal guy (read in to that what you will ;) ). I think in the right environment i.e. medical and controlled prescriptions it can have its uses. But making it freely available is potentially like handing a loaded gun to someone who has a tendency to be susceptible to mental health problems.

Not sure if there is a right answer to the debate, people will always obtain it if they want it. But my opinion partly based on personal experience and partly based on research from secondaries is that making it publicly available would contribute to an already growing mental health issue.

And that's going to be my last post on the subject as we could literally discuss it forever.
 
I smoked it from
15-24

Never did me any harm long term and I found quitting it was extremely simple compared to how hard smoking was, it took me a further 4 years before I finally got rid of cigarettes.


Congratulations, you wasted 9 years of your life being smelly, wasting your money and damaging your health!

What should happen is that hospitals should be allowed to turf out anyone who comes in with drink or drug related ailments. I don't want my tax money being used to treat people who cannot behave correctly.

Or perhaps charge a massive fee to get treatment if detected.
 
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I have never used any drugs but I still have to laugh at the crazed anti drug crowd. Literally just because it's currently illegal it must be bad. Why aren't you crusading for alcohol to be banned?
 
Why aren't you crusading for alcohol to be banned?

Probably because despite the evidence it's a vertical climb to get any support on such an idea. I think there's a good case for it though.

As for cannabis, although the physiological harms aren't yet proven (they may not even exist), the social ones do. Many of the issues that blight people's lives with alcohol are the same with pot.
 
Congratulations, you wasted 9 years of your life being smelly, wasting your money and damaging your health!

What should happen is that hospitals should be allowed to turf out anyone who comes in with drink or drug related ailments. I don't want my tax money being used to treat people who cannot behave correctly.

Or perhaps charge a massive fee to get treatment if detected.
Nope.
I had 9 years of fun fun times before I settled down to have a family.


I don't want my tax money being used to pay for your healthcare wahh wahh wahh

in 33 years I have been to the GP about 10 times and once to the hospital for a broken elbow after an older kid pushed be off a climbing frame at a park.


I'm pretty confident I put in far more than I have taken out or will ever take out seeing as cigarettes are a nice profit for the NHS
 
I believe it should be legal over here with the same restrictions as alcohol, Zero tolerance though. Cant drive, cant work etc if u been on it until you have defo come down off it.

But it should be trialed properly for medical purposes first then recreational if it pans out okay. Government would have a right cash cow if they legalised it millions of us would buy it and they would tax it to death earning a lot
 
More fool you if you need drugs to have fun times.

How's the weather up there on your high horse? I suppose you've never had fun while drinking then? (edit- just noticed your username, perhaps you haven't) I don't see where he said he needed drugs to have fun, or perhaps you just like twisting words to suit your own bias.

Nate
 
More fool you if you need drugs to have fun times.
once a week everyone and their missus would go around to someones house and we would sit playing console games/watching movies , drinking coffee and enjoying a relaxing smoke after a weeks hardwork.

not much difference to most people going out drinking at the weekends accept we were doing no one any harm , not making a nuisance of ourselves or annoying any neighbours and we didn't end up at A&E
 
not much difference to most people going out drinking at the weekends accept we were doing no one any harm , not making a nuisance of ourselves or annoying any neighbours and we didn't end up at A&E

To be fair the vast majority of people manage to enjoy alcohol without doing any harm, not making a nuisance of themselves, annoying their neighbours or ending up in A&E.
 
once a week everyone and their missus would go around to someones house and we would sit playing console games/watching movies , drinking coffee and enjoying a relaxing smoke after a weeks hardwork.

not much difference to most people going out drinking at the weekends accept we were doing no one any harm , not making a nuisance of ourselves or annoying any neighbours and we didn't end up at A&E


The difference between drink and smoking/drugs however is that your liver repairs itself. Damage to your lungs / brain through drugs does irreparable damage without needing to be performed excessively.

Getting stoned and monging on the sofa doesn't make life more enjoyable. You could have just as much "fun" without the smoking.
 
The difference between drink and smoking/drugs however is that your liver repairs itself. Damage to your lungs / brain through drugs does irreparable damage without needing to be performed excessively.

Getting stoned and monging on the sofa doesn't make life more enjoyable. You could have just as much "fun" without the smoking.

lololololol give over, if people want to smoke in their own homes that is up to them.

liver repairs itself to a point, over drinking will not fix it:confused:
 
Again can people please avoid making this about personal experiences of drugs and how good/bad you may think you are. If you keep it to commenting on the policy itself then that's fine but if it just becomes another thread about drugs and taking them then it's probably going to require closed. Thank you.
 
Probably because despite the evidence it's a vertical climb to get any support on such an idea. I think there's a good case for it though.

As for cannabis, although the physiological harms aren't yet proven (they may not even exist), the social ones do. Many of the issues that blight people's lives with alcohol are the same with pot.

Do you think cars should be banned? Because a lot of problems are caused by cars. Fairly high mortality rate being on a motorbike as well iirc?
 
Do you think cars should be banned? Because a lot of problems are caused by cars. Fairly high mortality rate being on a motorbike as well iirc?

Any ban on alcohol simply wouldn't work because of the culture that we have with it, but I do think the world would be a better place if it wasn't around now. As for cars, at least they have a significant upside.
 
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