Tories plotting to axe bus passes and winter fuel allowance for OAPs in new round of brutal cuts

whitetop said:
Nice now would you say it to ones face.


If you read you will see my life was ****** up due to a lazy family and had a job at 14 years old till 17 years old.(i was not out all hours robbing people,smoking weed,or drinking beer)

I had money so how can I be a benefit scrounger? I worked unlike most so get that right mate.

I only blame two people for my bad life and that is my perants for bring me in such and bad lazy ass family.
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well done you you've worked for 3 years did you pay tax on that or was it a cash in hand jobbie?

You don't work so you ARE a benefit scrounger.


yeah damn your lazy parents for not doing your primary school work for you.
 
zegna said:
All these cuts, yet the government is still addicted to debt and borrowing like there is no tomorrow.

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Once interest rates increase, how bad will the austerity really get?

Enjoy this life everyone.. it won't last for much longer.
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There's a lot of scaremongering around.

This article:
http://coppolacomment.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/the-end-of-britain-not-yet.html

seemed much more upbeat.
 
Ah a teacher pension - that will be why :p

I dread to think what you'd have to put in to get that out on a bog standard private pension. Cor!
 
Not sure if I'm the only one who feels it's entirely reasonable that pensioners (especially younger ones) should be asked to cut back and contribute to pulling the country out of the financial mess we find ourselves in.

Those who are over 70-75 should be protected IMO.

However, I find the idea that every other pensioner has "worked hard all their lives" and are thus entitled take whilst being insulated from the welfare melee quite sickening. Many have spent their lives under contributing to generous pension funds, and are just as culpable for the credit crunch as the rest of us, if not more so.

Current government policy seems very unjust to me.

The state pension age should be raised to 67/68, for all, next year. And government worker schemes should be reviewed. Yes it's unfair, but the government doesn't seem bothered about ripping everyone else a new **** hole.
 
Hades said:
I literally have no idea who to vote for now. A lifelong Tory supporter I can't stand this bunch. Labour wrecked the economy and do so every time they get into power. The LibDems are useless and change their minds to suit the direction of the wind. They are all as bad as each other and in it to serve themselves.

No idea now and I do feel strongly that people should cast a vote.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm trying to decide which party I think is the least bad, which says a lot.

I've voted ever since I was 18. I think it's important as a principle even when it's of no practical relevance (i.e. safe seats), but I don't want to vote for any existing party. It's a matter of which one I least strongly want to not vote for.

Right now, if the Queen said "All the political parties are rubbish and I'm going to rule without a government until there's one worth having", I wouldn't be completely unhappy with it. Not that she would, of course. That wouldn't fly, no matter how disillusioned people are with the political parties.

Although my local council is worse. I'd elect the next few unclaimed animals to pass the council offices if I could - at least they'd cost far less money and only be useless rather than worse than useless.
 
zegna said:
All these cuts, yet the government is still addicted to debt and borrowing like there is no tomorrow.

[graph of net debt]

Once interest rates increase, how bad will the austerity really get?

Enjoy this life everyone.. it won't last for much longer.
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Borrowing has been 3 times as high as it is now and has been higher than it is now for ~200 of the last 250 years (as a percentage of GDP in both cases).

~70% of the UK's debt is owed to the UK (the biggest debt holder is the Bank of England). Debt owed to other countries has been stable (as a %age of debt) for ages and remains so.

It's bad, but not as bad as it looks from that graph.
 
i think i'll stick with the same, voted no to the start of ww3 eerr i mean not to attack a major russian ally. william hague what a kelly/obama/wtf very dissapointed plus explicit name calling.

"we must attack syria!" ummm no we must'nt. what a ^.

basically vote for the person that does'nt get us all nuked, that simple.
so whoever voted yes to go tomohawk syria, don't vote for them, cos they have a bunker very deep, very ready and they don't care about you.

yeahyeah conspiracy idiot whatever blablabla :p
 
So the Conservatives promise to continue with their bolstering of the pension by raising it to match whichever's highest of wages, inflation or 2.5% and The Mirror then attacks them for not commenting on bus passes and winter fuel allowance?

The Conservatives have stated that they've put a cap on benefits but that this wouldn't inlcude pensions, Labour have stated that their cap will include pensions, but the Conservatives get the blame?

I happen to agree with some in here that all parties are looking fairly short-sighted and incompetent, but if the'yre pandering to the type of media who print this rubbish then who can blame them?

I hope the government does (whoever it may be) axe them sometime in the future - keep with the pension increases, perhaps even increase them further and reduce tax allowances to the same as everyone else, they still won't have to pay NI so should eventually be better off than most on minimum wage working full time, once this happens then any extras can be done away with completely.
 
MANFACE said:
UKIP get my vote too.

They genuinely believe in what they say, and will act accordingly.

The other parties sneered at UKIP's polices, but are using watered down parts of it now.
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UKIP is a one man, one issue party. They're voting for Farage, not UKIP
 
No1newts said:
Good post.

The problem with this nation though is that people are not given any form or education relating to fiscal control (self and on a wider format) or about politics and how things work.

You end up with a nation voters who are completely niave/stupid and do not look to, or cannot, understand things beyond the top live basic. This creates a problem when you have lying ***** like Labour who promise cheaper this and that, more benefits, more jobs etc without having any coherent plan of delivery or caring to justify how they will do these.

The above creates another problem for this stupid ******* country in that politicians will lie to get in power, people buy it and then there is no accountability plus the morons will swiftly forget the **** ups as soon as a sensible party imposes reality.

All the problems are exacerbated by a media not interested in the truth but in making money and pandering to the masses, essentially a media as self serving as the politicians.

Education is the key to solving a lot if our problems. Unfortunately nothing can solve the dishonesty of the media and the politicians and their self serving agendas.
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Best post of 2014 so far. Because it's the truth, people will proceed to stick their heads up their arses or argue that their favourite party is still in it for the people.
 
dunker said:
i think i'll stick with the same, voted no to the start of ww3 eerr i mean not to attack a major russian ally. william hague what a kelly/obama/wtf very dissapointed plus explicit name calling.

"we must attack syria!" ummm no we must'nt. what a ^.

basically vote for the person that does'nt get us all nuked, that simple.
so whoever voted yes to go tomohawk syria, don't vote for them, cos they have a bunker very deep, very ready and they don't care about you.

yeahyeah conspiracy idiot whatever blablabla :p
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But the party you vote for deeply cares about you?
 
My inlaws get there winter allowance, they live out in Malta over the winter. Pays for there flights though. (I guess you can consider it spent in the manner it was intended!)

I'm all for it being means tested!

Has there been any considerations to more women workers these days? my grandmother never worked and lived off my grandad all her life yet she still receives a pension and i bet there are a lot of women out there in the same boat but thanks to woman's rights theres now a whole generation of woman workers contributing to the pension pots.
 
grumpysculler said:
Good heavens! Next thing you know, we'll be seeing right-wing news attacking the benefits system.

edit: Has anyone worked out the cost of means testing vs the money it would save?
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Never! Great Overlord Murdoch seeks to expose the villainy of the Left and deliver us from their evils both realised and proposed!

ALL HAIL GREAT OVERLORD AND GLORIOUS LEADER.
 
Stretch said:
Not sure if I'm the only one who feels it's entirely reasonable that pensioners (especially younger ones) should be asked to cut back and contribute to pulling the country out of the financial mess we find ourselves in.

Those who are over 70-75 should be protected IMO.

However, I find the idea that every other pensioner has "worked hard all their lives" and are thus entitled take whilst being insulated from the welfare melee quite sickening. Many have spent their lives under contributing to generous pension funds, and are just as culpable for the credit crunch as the rest of us, if not more so.
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Actually, if you boil it down, pensioners are the ones who allowed the government to overspend, took from a welfare state that gave them benefits regardless of their contributions, benefited from boom years and from government policy that inflated property values - all since the 1960s, whilst paying relatively little for the privilege. The ones who benefited from all of that most are precisely the people who SHOULD be paying a bit more rather than expecting today's children to pay it all. Instead many (not all obviously) are sitting in their mortgage-free homes living exceptionally well.

It's still not sunk into the brain of this country that that unless you're in an exceptionally good job, there's no way your retirement will be as comfortable as your parents' is. Successive governmental policy designed to win votes rather than govern properly over the last 50 years has ensured this result and voters let it happen.
 
I took a final salary scheme pension at age 60 which pays 11k per annum for around 24 years service with a construction company. the pension scheme is fully funded so no taxpayer bailouts required. I am still in full time work so pay 40% of that pension in tax back to the government. I am 61

I would not have a problem with the state pension age rising now to 67 as I expect I would still be fit enough to work, but I would prefer to retire and let someone else in.
 
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