Telling child to give Granny a kiss on the cheek tantamount to child sex abuse

Can we please, please ban Daily Mail article links. They're simultaneously dumbing down and enraging the forums and make us look like a group of ignorant idiots..........

Try this one on for size instead:

Guardian version of the article

This is what this article is NOT about: it's not about forbidding a willing child to sit on Granny's knee, or giving Grandpa a kiss, or cuddling Auntie Kate. It's not about being overly politically correct or trying to stop normal family life.

What it is about is this: children have powerful instincts, and sometimes adults override those instincts for social niceties that suit the adult, not the child. Sometimes children don't want to kiss a relative or family friend, for all sorts of reasons, and yet adults want them to because otherwise it doesn't look nice, or seem polite. In being coerced to kiss or cuddle someone they don't want to, that child is being told that how they feel, what they want to do with their own bodies, doesn't really matter. That an adult's wishes and sensibilities matter more.

And it's a more pernicious action than you might think. If a child gets used to being told their bodies aren't their own, or have no right of refusal, even in something as innocent as kissing grandma, when or if there is malintent from another adult they may not feel strong enough to say no. How are children magically supposed to learn that lesson? You cannot expect a child to acquiesce when you want them to, and then magically grow up to "know their own mind". Knowing their own mind starts with allowing them to speak it.
 
Can we please, please ban Daily Mail article links. They're simultaneously dumbing down and enraging the forums and make us look like a group of ignorant idiots..........

Try this one on for size instead:

Guardian version of the article

While I bust a gut laughing at the excrement the Daily Fail comes up with, it's even funnier watching people get all wound up that you dare mock the 'second most popular media source in the UK'.

The dumbing down phase is long since done. Just laugh. And despair. But try and laugh :p
 
This is what this article is NOT about: it's not about forbidding a willing child to sit on Granny's knee, or giving Grandpa a kiss, or cuddling Auntie Kate. It's not about being overly politically correct or trying to stop normal family life.

What it is about is this: children have powerful instincts, and sometimes adults override those instincts for social niceties that suit the adult, not the child. Sometimes children don't want to kiss a relative or family friend, for all sorts of reasons, and yet adults want them to because otherwise it doesn't look nice, or seem polite. In being coerced to kiss or cuddle someone they don't want to, that child is being told that how they feel, what they want to do with their own bodies, doesn't really matter. That an adult's wishes and sensibilities matter more.

And it's a more pernicious action than you might think. If a child gets used to being told their bodies aren't their own, or have no right of refusal, even in something as innocent as kissing grandma, when or if there is malintent from another adult they may not feel strong enough to say no. How are children magically supposed to learn that lesson? You cannot expect a child to acquiesce when you want them to, and then magically grow up to "know their own mind". Knowing their own mind starts with allowing them to speak it.

Hogwash.

This is what happens when you assign too many places to psychotherapy in universities so everyone can get a degree.

What will harm a child more is over analysing all your decisions as a parent!
 
No it makes no sense at all.

You are attaching adult like attributes to a child (presumably under 5 here)

There is no damage being done here.

If a child is damaged by this then there was something wrong with them in the first place. Who doesn't like affection from elderly relatives when they are young, if they don't then there is something wrong with them.
 
Who doesn't like affection from elderly relatives when they are young, if they don't then there is something wrong with them.

Seriously? :confused:

I can remember vividly being 5 and being practically made to kiss my 95 year old great grandmother and not wanting to at all.

I never told my daughter to kiss anyone in the family (although that was also due in part to the risk of her contracting the herpes simplex virus which causes coldsores).
 
No it makes no sense at all.

You are attaching adult like attributes to a child (presumably under 5 here)

There is no damage being done here.

If a child is damaged by this then there was something wrong with them in the first place. Who doesn't like affection from elderly relatives when they are young, if they don't then there is something wrong with them.

You are telling a child that although they don't want to do a physical act it is OK for an adult to force them to do it.
 
No I'm saying it's natural to show affection to your elderly relatives.

A kiss on the cheek will hardly kill them who asks their child to kiss anyone these days anyway so it's mostly a moot argument however if my son didn't show any affection to his grandparents I'd be worried and asking questions.
 
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If a child is damaged by this then there was something wrong with them in the first place. Who doesn't like affection from elderly relatives when they are young, if they don't then there is something wrong with them.

You're completely missing the point. Of course kissing elderly relatives is ok if the child has no problem with it. What this story is about is that by forcing a child to kiss someone they don't want to you're telling them that they have to do whatever adults want no matter how they feel about it. What's to stop a childs grandparent them telling a child to kiss their penis whether they want to or not? If you think that's 'hogwash' then fair enough, but you're wrong.
 
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