Diesel or Petrol?

pepsilol · 11 Jan 2014 at 19:49

We want to sell our LS430 and get a Range Rover Vogue SE, however we are trying to cost up the price differences in running costs.

Both will be the V8 around the 06-07 mark.

Our commute is usually 10 miles A roads and 10 miles motorway. ATM in the LS430 we average 24 MPG.

I am guessing the petrol Range Rover is going to do around 18mpg? And the diesel equivalent is going to do 25 mpg from what I can see on the forums.

We do 15k a year so that is

Petrol - £4887.05
Diesel - £3791.44

Thats roughly a £1000 saving, however my main concern is maintenace on the diesel. I can repair most things but 2 turbos around £1500 isn't cheap even if I am repairing it.

PMKeates · 11 Jan 2014 at 19:51

Get a petrol. That cost saving isn't worth it and the petrol is much nicer.

Fuzz · 11 Jan 2014 at 19:53

No one on here likes diesels, you'll get a biased answer.

You are not going to rack up a £1000 quid of repairs every year just because it's a diesel and OMG turbo, OMG injectors..

Buy the diesel

Your main worry is Range Rover.. OMG Suspension, OMG Gearbox, OMG Electrics

pepsilol · 11 Jan 2014 at 19:57

I imagine the diesel would be easier to sell on also.

Fuzz · 11 Jan 2014 at 20:05

The TDV6 looks your best bet regarding depreciation.

pepsilol · 11 Jan 2014 at 20:11

The TD6 is a inline 6 bmw engine no? It's not a v6 I don't think.

That engine is too slow for me. I can't really do 0-60 in 13 seconds...

touch · 11 Jan 2014 at 20:13

Fuzz said:
The TDV6 looks your best bet regarding depreciation.

They all seem to have pretty similar depreciation after the first few years though? (he's not buying new)

edit: actually, the petrol has the smallest depreciation in the final year of that graph

mccarf · 11 Jan 2014 at 20:14

Looking at the prices of the year you're after you could get the petrol for a bit cheaper anyway, which would offset some of the fuel costs. As well as the fact that it would sound better + go better, seems like the best choice to me.

Fuzz · 11 Jan 2014 at 20:16

There is a certain satisfaction from driving all the way to the tip of Cornwall and all the way back home again on one tank.

You try that in a Petrol and you'll run out by Truro

Jonnycoupe · 11 Jan 2014 at 20:29

Fuzz said:
There is a certain satisfaction from driving all the way to the tip of Cornwall and all the way back home again on one tank.

You try that in a Petrol and you'll run out by Truro

I won't : p

Fuzz · 11 Jan 2014 at 20:32

pepsilol said:
The TD6 is a inline 6 bmw engine no? It's not a v6 I don't think.

That engine is too slow for me. I can't really do 0-60 in 13 seconds...

TDV6 is a V6 Code name Lion. (2.7L -190 hp / 320 lb/ft or 3.0L - 271 hp / 440 lb/ft)
TD6 is the inline BMW 6 174 bhp / 288 lb/ft

I wouldn't touch the TD6. It's like the poverty model.

What you looking for? A late L322?
If it were me it'd be the TDV8 every time.
270 hp / 470 lb/ft :cool:

enough
unless you went for the 2010 on TDV8 then it became 4.4L instead of 3.6..
330 hp / 516 lb/ft with 32 mpg combined.

Now we're talking.

Fuzz · 11 Jan 2014 at 21:04

touch said:
edit: actually, the petrol has the smallest depreciation in the final year of that graph

I know my maths is shocking but....

A loss of £44,713 for the TDV6 diesel
A loss of £48,367 for the SDV8 diesel
A loss of £54,776 for the V8 S petrol

Footyslayer · 11 Jan 2014 at 21:09

Got to be careful of Diesels nowadays with the Diesel particulate filter.

Fuzz · 11 Jan 2014 at 21:42

Depends if it has the filter in the particulate box

Jonnycoupe · 11 Jan 2014 at 21:52

Get ready for US LEV160 and EU6c required PM sensors aswell

DaveyD · 11 Jan 2014 at 22:13

Jonnycoupe said:
Get ready for US LEV160 and EU6c required PM sensors aswell

And the rest! (Especially for CARB OBD).

I would go with the V8 Diesel in an L322 Range Rover, as that's probably the most suitable engine for that car, however I would be worried about Diesel component costs as you are. But the whole car is going to be a potential bringer of big bills, so maybe the Diesel specific costs won't be that much relative I the whole common car parts? Will need to have a good warranty or a large pot set aside!

I assume the petrol you're looking at wouldn't be the 5.0 as that came in 2009.

PMKeates · 11 Jan 2014 at 22:16

The petrol is a better engine. If you can't afford the petrol, get the diesel. That's fairly straightforward

touch · 11 Jan 2014 at 22:26

Fuzz said:
I know my maths is shocking but....

A loss of £44,713 for the TDV6 diesel
A loss of £48,367 for the SDV8 diesel
A loss of £54,776 for the V8 S petrol

Overall, the petrol has more depreciation, but the graph shows figures from new and the OP is buying a car a few years old.

From the final year of the graph:
TDV6 drops £5976 - a 15% drop
SDV8 drops £6524 - a 15% drop
V8 S drops £6703 - a 13% drop

So, although it depreciates more in the first couple of year, the V8 actually depreciates less if your buying an older car.

RedvGreen · 12 Jan 2014 at 01:52

Fuzz said:
No one on here likes diesels, you'll get a biased answer.

You are not going to rack up a £1000 quid of repairs every year just because it's a diesel and OMG turbo, OMG injectors..

Buy the diesel

Your main worry is Range Rover.. OMG Suspension, OMG Gearbox, OMG Electrics

Diesels are great in a big engine. Worst part is the sound which a big, 2.5L+ engine will mask and depending on tech and refinements, sounds remarkably like a petrol!

Fuzz · 12 Jan 2014 at 02:02

I know, tell Pepsi