Aquarium set up ideas

The filter sponges are submersed in the water, in the same housing as where the pump is. There is a little divider between in the housing which seperates the pump and the sponges. Something like this

http://www.juwel-aquarium.co.uk/Products/More/Filtration/Filtersystems/Filter-Bioflow-3-0-Bioflow-3-0.html

I think I may add another small filter. This pump circulates 400l/h, I may add on a filter which circulates another 400l/h...

PS - what if I wanted to get rid of the sponges and pump that came with the tank (purely to get rid of the housing and use that space), and just use an internal filter? will this be safe and/or effective as the sponges method?

Right ok,

you can use that filter and add another internal. Or you could just use the built in filter and buy a small powerhead instead for water circulation.

You could get rid of the housing and filter already in the tank but I am not sure if getting rid and buying another internal would save that much space.

Got a picture of your tank?
 
Sure, here are a few pics (yes the tank looks messy and not ready at all, remember this is all very early days for me as I am only researching yet)

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As you can see, I've detached the filter housing already, it was in the right hand corner, I was now thinking to reposition it in the left hand corner (purely for better viewing purposes for where the tank will eventually end up sitting). But now I'm considering taking it out and substituting the media filter/pump for an internal filter.

These are more pics of the pump and inside the filter housing

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You could research that model and see it's filtration and flow capabilities. Then look for a smaller internal one.

I reckon you could change it for another but I don't think it would save too much space. For example you could go for something like this...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aquarium-All-Pond-Solutions-600IF/dp/B002NLO9PG/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t

This model pumps 400 L/H, I was looking at the one attached above but going for the 800 L/H?

You may be right in that it may not save too much space and I reckon having 2 filters may even be an added bonus if anything?
 
I wish I had removed my internal Juwel filter and got an external one

Exactly what I want to do, but I really don't want to jeopardise the filtration of my tank over saving space, which is what's holding me back until someone here can say 'sacrifice the filter housing and it's contents and just use the internal filter solely on it's own'... =P
 
Exactly what I want to do, but I really don't want to jeopardise the filtration of my tank over saving space, which is what's holding me back until someone here can say 'sacrifice the filter housing and it's contents and just use the internal filter solely on it's own'... =P

Then do that, just make sure the replacement filter is the correct one for your water volume :)
 
I would use the Jewel filter over the one linked to on amazon, reasons - once its in the tank and you have backing it blends in and holds a significantly higher volume of filter media than the alternative linked too. You should also have a bracket in the Jewel filter box to hold the heater inside hiding that from view and protecting any planned plec type fish from burning itself on the heater which they can do.

Exactly what I want to do, but I really don't want to jeopardise the filtration of my tank over saving space, which is what's holding me back until someone here can say 'sacrifice the filter housing and it's contents and just use the internal filter solely on it's own'... =P

Types of filter mentioned in order of filtration quality worst to best would be the one linked to on Amazon, the Jewel internal, an external like like this one. The external is the better choice because it offers the largest volume of filter media of the 3 and it isn't just limited to sponge and floss filters like the other 2, but its an expensive option when you have a perfectly good filter that was designed for your tank already.

Sand is great for fish (not so much for plants I agree) as long as you keep it very shallow, a cm tops is enough and cory cats and loaches will love it, and burrow around in it enough to stop the sand from compacting and crapping up so it turns anaerobic and kills all your fish with hydrogen sulphide poisoning. If I was setting up a 30 or 40cm deep tank I wouldn't want to be losing 5cm of that to sand or gravel anyway - I haven't on my main tank and that's 60cm deep. Just make sure you really rinse it out before you put it in the tank and avoid stirring it up near the filter in tank or it will wreck the impeller housing.
 
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Red Tail Black Sharks reach 15cm SL (excluding tail fin); as they mature they get increasingly aggressive with anything of similar shape/colour and other bottom dwellers; 120cm long tank is absolute minimum size.

I had a red tail black shark, he was huge never stopped growing. Nice fish, we only got a tenner for him in the pet shop.
 
I would use the Jewel filter over the one linked to on amazon, reasons - once its in the tank and you have backing it blends in and holds a significantly higher volume of filter media than the alternative linked too. You should also have a bracket in the Jewel filter box to hold the heater inside hiding that from view and protecting any planned plec type fish from burning itself on the heater which they can do.

Types of filter mentioned in order of filtration quality worst to best would be the one linked to on Amazon, the Jewel internal, an external like like this one. The external is the better choice because it offers the largest volume of filter media of the 3 and it isn't just limited to sponge and floss filters like the other 2, but its an expensive option when you have a perfectly good filter that was designed for your tank already.

Sand is great for fish (not so much for plants I agree) as long as you keep it very shallow, a cm tops is enough and cory cats and loaches will love it, and burrow around in it enough to stop the sand from compacting and crapping up so it turns anaerobic and kills all your fish with hydrogen sulphide poisoning. If I was setting up a 30 or 40cm deep tank I wouldn't want to be losing 5cm of that to sand or gravel anyway - I haven't on my main tank and that's 60cm deep. Just make sure you really rinse it out before you put it in the tank and avoid stirring it up near the filter in tank or it will wreck the impeller housing.

Solid advice, obviously the filter already set up for that tank is ideal but to save space then an internal would still be fine, not great but would do a job as long as it is maintained.

I completely forgot about the option of externals.
 
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Slightly on topic...

Are there any "professional" cleaning/maintenance services around? I'd love to get a BIG (probably cost prohibitive but something like 6ftx3ft or even bigger and built into a wall) tank of marine or possibly tropical fish going in the next few years. I used to have tropical fish in a 3ft tank and found it a pain keeping it clean so really wouldn't want to clean and maintain it myself...:p Anyone use one and know if they are remotely realistic price wise?
 
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I would use the Jewel filter over the one linked to on amazon, reasons - once its in the tank and you have backing it blends in and holds a significantly higher volume of filter media than the alternative linked too. You should also have a bracket in the Jewel filter box to hold the heater inside hiding that from view and protecting any planned plec type fish from burning itself on the heater which they can do.



Types of filter mentioned in order of filtration quality worst to best would be the one linked to on Amazon, the Jewel internal, an external like like this one. The external is the better choice because it offers the largest volume of filter media of the 3 and it isn't just limited to sponge and floss filters like the other 2, but its an expensive option when you have a perfectly good filter that was designed for your tank already.

Sand is great for fish (not so much for plants I agree) as long as you keep it very shallow, a cm tops is enough and cory cats and loaches will love it, and burrow around in it enough to stop the sand from compacting and crapping up so it turns anaerobic and kills all your fish with hydrogen sulphide poisoning. If I was setting up a 30 or 40cm deep tank I wouldn't want to be losing 5cm of that to sand or gravel anyway - I haven't on my main tank and that's 60cm deep. Just make sure you really rinse it out before you put it in the tank and avoid stirring it up near the filter in tank or it will wreck the impeller housing.

Thanks for the advice on this one. I think I'm going to bite the bullet and see how an internal filter goes. I've taken the Jewel filter housing out for now (for that extra space) and going to see how the internal one copes on it's own and if I can keep up with the maintenance. Give it a couple weeks otherwise I'll resort to plan B and place the filter housing/original filter back in alongside the internal one.

On a side note - you mentioned the heater. Obviously with me having taken the housing out the heater will now be positioned against the back glass pane, is there a risk and/or danger to the fish getting burnt?
 
Some fish will stupidly stay next to an operating heater and give themselves nasty burns, one reason why I swear by Visitherm heaters, that come with a guard.

Juwel integrated filters are not that bad providing you stick to conservative stocking levels and fish that do not produce lots of waste. I certainly would not rip one out to replace it with another internal filter, but it would be improved upon by all but the cheapest/nastiest of external filters.
 
A quick question about aquatic plants as again there are a lot of differing opinions from different sources.

What exactly do I need to maintain a healthy plant scene? Co2 etc?
 
A quick question about aquatic plants as again there are a lot of differing opinions from different sources.

What exactly do I need to maintain a healthy plant scene? Co2 etc?

A good substrate, good ferts, c02 injection or Liquid Carbon, lighting, i use all that i have said, plants have exploded :)

Some plants are hard to keep some plants are easy, plenty of blogs out there for info.

http://forum.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=151
 
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A good substrate, good ferts, c02 injection or Liquid Carbon, lighting, i use all that i have said, plants have exploded :)

Some plants are hard to keep some plants are easy, plenty of blogs out there for info.

http://forum.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=151

Yup, starting point is a good substrate (hence going on about that lava gravel in previous posts). Co2 and lighting are the next areas you want to look at getting sorted. I’ve got to get myself in gear this year with Co2.

Out of interest Spook, what Co2 unit have you gone with? I've always been keen on doing a custom build but been a little put off by horror stories of pressured tank malfunctions.

There are some great plant suppliers on ebay that have some really interesting ones available (forums often have recommendations for resellers). Pet shops/aquatics centres tend to only keep specific types of plants that are hardy, look nice and grow fast, these can be nice but there are some stunning plants out there which you can get for less than shops supply.

** Always give the plants a good rinse under a cold tap or in a bucket of cold water before putting in your tank in case there are any ‘klingons’ such as snails as this can be a REAL issue **

What's the general consensus about doing a fishless cycle with the plants in the tank?

I would do a fishless cycle without plants, certainly for a few days just to let things settle. I would definitely have plants in the tank before you introduce fish, although it’s a luxury you’ll only have once (hopefully) from starting a tank from scratch.

Planted tanks can be a real pleasure to work on but they can be a pain in the a$$ as well! I’ve spent £££ on plants over the years in the hope that they will flourish, most of them have ended up nibbled to pieces. This is partly to do with inadequate lighting, water type/quality and of course lack of Co2, but Spook makes a great point about doing research on your plant choices, this will be greatly affected by the type of fish you choose as some will go for plants more than others.

Also, not sure if you're sorted what you're doing with filters but I would really recommend getting rid of the Jewel filter (I've never liked the idea of the dirt sitting in the filter being sat in the water, I like the degree of separation an external filter brings.

On that subject, from personal experience, I wouldn't go for Jewel external filters - I must have gone through about 6 over the years. Rena is a great external filter manufacturer and you can buy spares galore - I've had two filters, the +2 and +4 (had two as I sold the first one with a tank). Flow cycle rates are fantastic and the spray bar with adjustable flow is a great feature.

One tip, if you're going to buy 2nd hand, just make sure you can buy replacement seals for it as if they dry out they won't make a proper seal and will leak EVERYWHERE! As I said above, Rena do plenty of spares including cannister and impeller seals.
 
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Thanks Boxman2000 - a lot of solid experienced advice there!

I settled on the All Ponds Solution internal filter in the end - it pumps around 600L/H and so far is doing good. My only concerns are that 600L/H isn't too much for my 72L tank and the spray bar is a bit annoying as some water does 'spray' out due to the pressure from the spray bar and the end result is a drippy hood. I don't think this one has an adjustable flow rate either.

As for fish I have settled for the following:
X6 neon tetra
X6 harlequin rasboras
X2 otocinclus
X1 Siamese Betta (male)

And for plants;
X3 Marimo moss balls
Bunch egeria densa
Bunch vallisneria americana var.
natans
Bunch ludwigia repens Rubin
Small amount of riccia on a lava stone

I have already started the fishless cycle (yesterday) and will keep u all informed. Pictures will definitely follow soon so keep an eye on this space!
 
Yup, starting point is a good substrate (hence going on about that lava gravel in previous posts). Co2 and lighting are the next areas you want to look at getting sorted. I’ve got to get myself in gear this year with Co2.

Out of interest Spook, what Co2 unit have you gone with? I've always been keen on doing a custom build but been a little put off by horror stories of pressured tank malfunctions.

There are some great plant suppliers on ebay that have some really interesting ones available (forums often have recommendations for resellers). Pet shops/aquatics centres tend to only keep specific types of plants that are hardy, look nice and grow fast, these can be nice but there are some stunning plants out there which you can get for less than shops supply.

I use this.

http://www.arkpetsonline.co.uk/jbl-proflora-u402-p-4760.html?gclid=CI-GlL26hbwCFaXItAodLGQAUg

I did change the reactor to a co2 diffuser, looks far better in the tank than the tall chamber reactor, plus it works :)

A drop checker and bubble counter is very useful.

http://www.aquaessentials.co.uk/neutro-drop-checker-p-1231.html

Still on my first can of c02 since oct and got another 3 in the cupboard, so about 10 month supply at least to last, so really once the c02 set is bought it's not that expensive, saves a lot of c02 putting it on a timer at night as c02 not needed.
 
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