Oh dear, the benefit scroungers are scared!

86JR said:
I don't even want to move out, I like living at home, around people I know and care about.
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What a mommy's boy :D I think you live with her because she pays your way. 30 and still lives at home :D :D :D


At the end of the day I pay tax and you are on benefits, you don't really have a leg to stand on in this discussion do you ;) Get a job ;)
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Everybody pays tax you know. Heard of VAT? ;) and does your moms mortgage lenders know you run a business from home ;)
 
The concept of paying for someone else is pointless anyway. Someone had the figures for how much your annual income needs to hit for you to become a net contributor, if they haven't left the thread with their head in their hands yet then that number might pop up.

Basically it's a lot more complicated than saying "I haven't claimed benefits therefore I've not used up any public money". And universities are quite huge recipients of government grants, your course costs them a lot more than what you pay, even if you're a £9k a year person. Technically the loan book is public money as well, or at least was.
 
86JR said:
Only unpaid student loans cost the taxpayer money. I paid mine off in full. So nice try, but you haven't paid anything for me yet ;) As for paying tax, I have been doing so a lot longer than 2 years. I had a web design/hosting outfit back in College all the way through University.

Try Harder ;)
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TheLegendOfMart said:
Again ignoring the question and trying to be a smart arse. God help you if your businesses fail and you don't have the safety net of mummy and daddy.
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Comprehensive ownage there. You should be graceful in defeat TheLegendOfMart, it's the mark of a man.
 
Fail to see how I have been defeated, he is dodging all the questions.

All this boils down to is the fact that he is bitter because the Job Centre wouldn't let him have loads of benefits because of his supposed Autism and how he didn't want to work for his benefits when Remploy asked him to voluntarily work in their factory for experience and to pad his CV out.

I've worked most of my life, I've never been a sponging student, I've been out of work a whole two times and both times were due to redundancy.

I'm not a dole dosser.
 
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This has gone full retard. Then another loop for double full retard and now tipple retard and still living with mum. Its like watching a moth flying into a flame and seeing a smile on its little face.

Thread of 2014 so far.
 
Frightful Boar said:
I resent politicians wasting my money too.

And I'm not whining, unless you're using some definition of the word whining that hasn't ever been used before. Sounds like you're whining if I'm honest, boohoo the mean man doesn't like paying for other people.
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What, you mean the mean man who scrounged off the state who liked the idea of other people paying for him and claimed to be screwed over because he couldn't get what he wanted? :D
 
I think some peoples idea of what scrounging means is completely screwed. scrounging doesn't mean being made redundant and claim basic benefits for a few months, that's what its there for.

scrounging is for the lifestyle on benefits that you find on Benefits Street,
 
deuse said:
What a mommy's boy :D I think you live with her because she pays your way. 30 and still lives at home :D :D :D




Everybody pays tax you know. Heard of VAT? ;) and does your moms mortgage lenders know you run a business from home ;)
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Earlier in the thread people were complaining that people on benefits shouldn't have to pay council tax or VAT either.
 
Frightful Boar said:
What are you talking about?
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Go read some of his posts, he is bitter because he didn't get loads of benefits because his parents earn over the threshold and are expected to contribute towards him because he was under 25 and still living at home.

Now he has his own business he claims he started with £10 but actually used student loans and his mummy to fund it he is passing judgement over everyone on benefits and thinks poor people on benefits should ask their family for help instead of claiming benefits.
 
Here's a question for the people who are taking issue at giving people money to not work. Say, completely hypothetically, all those people managed to get a job - maybe some full time, but the majority either part time or zero-hours. Let's also assume that this change has happened over the course of five years and so the amount of money needed to top them up has increased in real terms due to rents etc. rising above inflation.

Would you be happy now that they are all working, even though their wages are being topped up by the state up to a figure that they can live on? Or would you go one rung up the ladder and concentrate on those working the least number of hours and decide that they should lose their state subsidies unless they worked more hours?

Is it the principle of giving money to people who aren't working that bothers you, or the amount that you are paying out?
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Go read some of his posts, he is bitter because he didn't get loads of benefits because his parents earn over the threshold and are expected to contribute towards him.

Now he has his own business he claims he started with £10 but actually used student loans and his mummy to fund it he is passing judgement over everyone on benefits and thinks poor people on benefits should ask their family for help instead of claiming benefits.
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You only read what you want, and you twist words into fiction to try and prove what you are on about. And the irony is that you are the one here who is on benefits RIGHT NOW. I have only had 6 weeks of benefits my whole life @ £70 a week. £420. You claim to have had 7 weeks already.

I will re-visit this thread in a decade if you like, I am super confident I will have £1mill liquid, I am also super confident that you will still be on benefits tbh.
 
86JR said:
I have been there, I have sat in Job Centre on my £60 a week listening to chav's with iPhone 5's talking about they need more money to go out more, talking about how much coke they sold that week. I know people who have a huge house, 3 cars, all the clothes they need, exploiting disability benefit for things like a bad back etc who have nothing wrong with them.

I have been told my dyspraxia + autism is not a disability and then sent to remploy, a disability agency, who wanted me to do 37 hours a week in a factory making goods for them for nothing.

Then when I started my limited company, Remploy had the cheek to send me a letter stating I have to pay them a percentage because they take a cut of all remploy clients paychecks, normally from their employer.

I tried to use the system as it is meant to be used and got the bare minimum and screwed over, told my disabilities were not disabilities, and then sent off to be used because I have the same disabiltiies and yet everywhere around me people are abusing it and getting away with it. I had to go in 3x a week and these people go in twice a year.

SO don't sit and tell me I know nothing and that I haven't been there and that I lack empathy, as I have experienced it myself!
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Hypocrite springs to mind.
 
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86JR said:
You only read what you want, and you twist words into fiction to try and prove what you are on about. And the irony is that you are the one here who is on benefits RIGHT NOW. I have only had 6 weeks of benefits my whole life @ £70 a week. £420. You claim to have had 7 weeks already.

I will re-visit this thread in a decade if you like, I am super confident I will have £1mill liquid, I am also super confident that you will still be on benefits tbh.
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I read the words that are on the page, there is no other way to interpret them.

6 weeks of benefits in your whole life when you were probably at college and university and then got a helping hand from mummy to start your business.

I've been working and paying silly amounts of tax since I was 18, I'm 35 now. I was out of work for 2 months a few years ago due to redundancy, and now I've been redundant for 7 weeks, companies don't usually take on staff when they are on christmas and new years holidays but yeah It's totally my fault that I've been out of work for 7 weeks.

I am super confident you will never have £1m by selling returned stock from pallets.
 
Caged said:
Here's a question for the people who are taking issue at giving people money to not work. Say, completely hypothetically, all those people managed to get a job - maybe some full time, but the majority either part time or zero-hours. Let's also assume that this change has happened over the course of five years and so the amount of money needed to top them up has increased in real terms due to rents etc. rising above inflation.

Would you be happy now that they are all working, even though their wages are being topped up by the state up to a figure that they can live on? Or would you go one rung up the ladder and concentrate on those working the least number of hours and decide that they should lose their state subsidies unless they worked more hours?

Is it the principle of giving money to people who aren't working that bothers you, or the amount that you are paying out?
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Assuming that they are on minimal hours because that is all there is, and not because they just can't be bothered working full time 8 hour+ days because they see that they can do a 3hr work day and recieve the same amount as they would have worked for: No problem.

Nor have I any problem with people who just recieve top up benefits. I have stated this before but it got ignored as it was not a comment adhering to their advantage (suprise suprise).

Personally I think why blur the lines: Raise minimum wages to a level where you can work 8 hours a day and get enough money to live a proper life, and scrap benefits all together. Those who can't be bothered to work starve, and those who can be bothered get to profit.

If there really are a lack of jobs in society then make them, maybe the government could fulfill what a lot of charities currently do, so if you can't find a job you are sent to work at a charity, again at full minimum wage.

I have no problem with people who work at all. It is people who don't I have a problem with, or people like Mart who preach on against self employed people whilst sitting at home on benefits right at that moment.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
I read the words that are on the page, there is no other way to interpret them.

6 weeks of benefits in your whole life when you were probably at college and university and then got a helping hand from mummy to start your business.

I've been working and paying silly amounts of tax since I was 18, I'm 35 now. I was out of work for 2 months a few years ago due to redundancy, and now I've been redundant for 7 weeks, companies don't usually take on staff when they are on christmas and new years holidays but yeah It's totally my fault that I've been out of work for 7 weeks.

I am super confident you will never have £1m by selling returned stock from pallets.
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I keep adressing this over and over and you still refuse to read it over and over. Stuck record much? My proof is right in the company house register. Where is yours?

The 6 weeks was between graduation and starting my pallet business. I told remploy pretty much to get stuffed and quit JSA the weekend before. Never going back!
 
86JR said:
Earlier in the thread people were complaining that people on benefits shouldn't have to pay council tax or VAT either.
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What's that got to do with you still living with your mom and does your mom know she has to pay business rates
well that's unlees you haven't told the VOA ;)
 
86JR said:
The 6 weeks was between graduation and starting my pallet business. I told remploy pretty much to get stuffed and quit JSA the weekend before. Never going back!
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Yeah what a travesty, who in their right mind would work for their benefits.....

You didn't get the benefits you wanted and you weren't prepared to put in any effort and gain experience on your CV by doing factory work for remploy.

Now you begrudge other people on benefits because you didn't get your way, you are a Class A ****
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Yeah what a travesty, who in their right mind would work for their benefits.....

You didn't get the benefits you wanted and you weren't prepared to put in any effort and gain experience on your CV by doing factory work for remploy.

Now you begrudge other people on benefits because you didn't get your way, you are a Class A ****
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The fact you are the one handing out personal starred out insults speaks more than any words I could say ;)

It is a known fact that Remploy factories are there to take advantage of the disabled. Remember they told me that my disabilities were not disabilities, and then sent me to a disability agency? I am sure you will choose not to read that also.
 
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