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errr... Because they did. I don't think I have seen a worse product launch... EVER. I think GCHQ backed the wrong horse.
Microsoft offering 100$ off xbone when you trade in PS3....
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errr... Because they did. I don't think I have seen a worse product launch... EVER. I think GCHQ backed the wrong horse.
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Ignore him, you are wasting your time mate.
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They had a loss in 2012 as well, so had a 5 year bad streak (which will have devastated their credit rating) however 2013 had them return to profitability and one would assume this would continue into 2014 with the strength of the PS4 sales and their low-mid range TVs also seem to be doing rather well at the moment (in terms of reviews and price point).
They'll need to maintain this for a good few years though to restore their tarnished credit rating, but the changes they've been making at the top do seem to be steering them back on track so fingers crossed. Like Nintendo and indeed Microsoft they should have the massive reserves available to weather several years of bad turn-over if need be, as most massive corporations seem to hit similar problems eventually.
Threads like this just make me want to abandon this sub forum. The amount of relentless bile by immature fanboys has reached a whole new level since the new consoles launchedThere's more hate than game discussion now.
I'm glad I'm not the only who sees it that way too.
So they deserve unrelenting hate because they fumbled a product launch?
OK......
Same.
People need to take a step back and stop involving themselves in the decisions these businesses make. Sony, MS, Heinz, Ford, whatever - they're not your friend and they're not your enemy, they exist to provide goods and make money. You made your choice when you bought whatever you bought, you don't need to reinforce it by publicly defending them or attacking the competition.
Tada. Perhaps if they were, people would be more interested in playing them than arguing about them.
Tada. Perhaps if they were, people would be more interested in playing them than arguing about them.
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I can't speak for others. But I was turned off MS due to their co-operation with PRISM. To me this assault on civil liberty severely dented my trust. The fact that the XB1 is the perfect spy machine doesn't fill me with confidence.
To the 'average gamer', MS shot themselves in the foot countless times with their 180's. It also doesn't look like MS is finished with the 180's either. MS are soon ditching mandatory locked Kinect resources, which probably has now relegated Kinect to little more than a gimmick.
To me it just shows MS doesn't actually know what customers want.
Same with windows 8, windows phone, surface, zune, bing. In consumerland MS doesn't have a great deal of relevance anymore.
Imo they should concentrate on the enterprise segment before that begins to slip through their fingers. If office becomes irrelevant, so does MS.
Out of interest responses from US companies concerning PRISM are on record as (although i fully expect a "they would say that wouldn't they" 
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Thats a lot of companies to not be using if you're "on the internet"... To be honest you should be far more worried about your mobile phone coming with microphone, camera (often 2), permanent datalink, GPS and always traceable for position and use by telcos via cell triangulation if you're of the mind that the spooks are watching you play games 
):- Microsoft: "We provide customer data only when we receive a legally binding order or subpoena to do so, and never on a voluntary basis. In addition we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers. If the government has a broader voluntary national security program to gather customer data we don't participate in it."
- Yahoo!: "Yahoo! takes users' privacy very seriously. We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network." "Of the hundreds of millions of users we serve, an infinitesimal percentage will ever be the subject of a government data collection directive."
- Facebook: "We do not provide any government organization with direct access to Facebook servers. When Facebook is asked for data or information about specific individuals, we carefully scrutinize any such request for compliance with all applicable laws, and provide information only to the extent required by law."
- Google: "Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door' into our systems, but Google does not have a backdoor for the government to access private user data." "[A]ny suggestion that Google is disclosing information about our users' Internet activity on such a scale is completely false."
- Apple: "We have never heard of PRISM. We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order."
- Dropbox: "We've seen reports that Dropbox might be asked to participate in a government program called PRISM. We are not part of any such program and remain committed to protecting our users' privacy
Thats a lot of companies to not be using if you're "on the internet"... To be honest you should be far more worried about your mobile phone coming with microphone, camera (often 2), permanent datalink, GPS and always traceable for position and use by telcos via cell triangulation if you're of the mind that the spooks are watching you play games
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Got an Email from Game about Xbox one's for 300 with trade in..
Told my brother about it, he's probably getting one tomorrow.
Told my brother about it, he's probably getting one tomorrow.
Don't really think they done any more than any other company, wouldn't believe the XB1 is spying n me anymore than what any internet connected device would be doing.
Bing, Surface WP are all growing with consumers.
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lol at the Sony reply if that is actually from Sony.
Im happy enough with my XBOne, though i think the Kinect thing is a load of ****, never works for me
Did have a play on a PS4 at my uncles but the controllers are for a 5 year olds hands
Good offer anyhow, if it does come over here.
Im happy enough with my XBOne, though i think the Kinect thing is a load of ****, never works for me
Did have a play on a PS4 at my uncles but the controllers are for a 5 year olds hands
Good offer anyhow, if it does come over here.
Did have a play on a PS4 at my uncles but the controllers are for a 5 year olds hands
Weird, as that was my main complaint as far back as the PS2 days. The controller was too small/cramped & the thumbsticks position felt like an afterthought.
The DS4 is in a different league though, I won't quite go as far as to say it betters the 360's pad design but it's damn close. Shape, size and weight is spot on. Sticks and buttons all in the right places. The only criticisms I have are the battery life isn't brilliant & the touch pad is a little gimmicky...
The only bad point on the 360 pad was that God awful d-pad!
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Out of interest responses from US companies concerning PRISM are on record as (although i fully expect a "they would say that wouldn't they"
- Microsoft: "We provide customer data only when we receive a legally binding order or subpoena to do so, and never on a voluntary basis. In addition we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers. If the government has a broader voluntary national security program to gather customer data we don't participate in it."
- Yahoo!: "Yahoo! takes users' privacy very seriously. We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network." "Of the hundreds of millions of users we serve, an infinitesimal percentage will ever be the subject of a government data collection directive."
- Facebook: "We do not provide any government organization with direct access to Facebook servers. When Facebook is asked for data or information about specific individuals, we carefully scrutinize any such request for compliance with all applicable laws, and provide information only to the extent required by law."
- Google: "Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door' into our systems, but Google does not have a backdoor for the government to access private user data." "[A]ny suggestion that Google is disclosing information about our users' Internet activity on such a scale is completely false."
- Apple: "We have never heard of PRISM. We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order."
- Dropbox: "We've seen reports that Dropbox might be asked to participate in a government program called PRISM. We are not part of any such program and remain committed to protecting our users' privacy
Thats a lot of companies to not be using if you're "on the internet"... To be honest you should be far more worried about your mobile phone coming with microphone, camera (often 2), permanent datalink, GPS and always traceable for position and use by telcos via cell triangulation if you're of the mind that the spooks are watching you play games
NSA has direct access to their servers. These companies have been caught out blatantly lying.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337863/PRISM-Google-Facebook-DID-allow-NSA-access-data-talks-set-spying-rooms-despite-denials-Zuckerberg-Page-controversial-project.html
"Prism does indeed have direct access to the internet companies' servers because, as one of the NSA bigwigs famously observed: "If you're looking for a needle in a haystack, then you need the haystack" and it now has the technology to get it."
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/15/nsa-covert-surveillance-trap
Me getting all worked lol? I was nice and calm while cu3ed went off digging for anything he could find on Sony failing
Sony won't be any different. If the NSA want to get in to PSN, they are getting in, with or without Sony's help.
I don't like it, but at least if they have help from MS it is much less likely to impact the network over forcing it with a vulnerability.
https://prism.spe.sony.com
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I can understand some people's concern over the NSA's access to Facebook, Google etc.. But what the hell are they gunna get off LIVE/PSN? What sensitive information has anyone ever put on there?
It's the principle for some people, and that's fair enough. From my perspective, I'm not that concerned that the NSA would watch me doing the insanity workout.
All the nonsense about MS/Sony going out of business is just that. Both consoles are already a stonking success.
Sony have restructured because parts of their business are not profitable, and the company as a whole has struggled. Sony used to be a byword for quality products, but when you can buy a Tesco brand TV which is more than adequate for a quarter of the price of a 'premium' brand TV then Sony etc have problems.