Golf GTi MK7 or Golf R 2014

[Ev0]

is the GTI with PP the Haldex ? and Standard GTI without ? Will i actually notice the difference in normal day to day driving, considering that i don't have a heavy right foot

PP as said gives more power and some handling improvements, one of which is an LSD up front.

Haldex is the 4wd system and not available on the GTi at all.

 

[DAIR]

Hold on. Just because something doesn't 'feel that much slower' it doesn't mean to say that it is therefore just as fast or in the same performance bracket. Similarly, the M135i disguises its acceleration well sometimes and you don't feel like you're going that fast until you see the progress you've made on the speedo.

Obviously the M135i is going to be a lot faster in a straight line but during the test-drive I took it on some of my favourite 40mph-NSL spots and I felt the acceleration was relatively very impressive for something that is 100bhp down on my car.

My thought s exactly. I was amazed at how fast the m135I can hit 70+. I didn't notice until it was pointed out to me.

 

[geekman]

Learn 2 drive m8

So how would you make a RWD/FWD car accelerate as quickly as a Haldex equipped car in wet conditions? Genuinely curious, because I find that if I plant my foot in my RWD cars you get wheelspin, if you're more gentle then you don't but it obviously doesn't accelerate as quickly. But of course, I'm not a driving god so maybe I'm doing something wrong?

I'm not a particular fan of AWD cars, but I'd have thought accelerating from a standstill in the wet is something they would be better at than the vast majority of FWD/RWD cars.

 

[Barks]

There must be a lot of driving Gods in OCUK motors where the rules of physics don't apply because I got slaughtered a few weeks ago for saying my RWD 320bhp BMW doesn't get the power down well in the wet. It makes progress sure but something like an S3 would be laughing at me off the line.

 

[Hades]

So how would you make a RWD/FWD car accelerate as quickly as a Haldex equipped car in wet conditions? Genuinely curious, because I find that if I plant my foot in my RWD cars you get wheelspin, if you're more gentle then you don't but it obviously doesn't accelerate as quickly. But of course, I'm not a driving god so maybe I'm doing something wrong?

I'm not a particular fan of AWD cars, but I'd have thought accelerating from a standstill in the wet is something they would be better at than the vast majority of FWD/RWD cars.

Granted it's just as easy to have different issues with RWD if you don't drive carefully. This is why I really do like 4WD systems such as Haldex/Quattro.

 

[hurfdurf]

Please learn to grow up mate.

Says the guy wheel spinning into traffic!

Drive like a grown up, leave that kind of silliness for when its appropriate to drive genuinely sportingly. If you are having legit trouble controlling your vehicle then you need to go back to having lessons to teach you to drive to the conditions.

 

[Hades]

Says the guy wheel spinning into traffic!

Drive like a grown up, leave that kind of silliness for when its appropriate to drive genuinely sportingly. If you are having legit trouble controlling your vehicle then you need to go back to having lessons to teach you to drive to the conditions.

What are you talking about? My point was that the Haldex system has more traction. I don't have "legit [sic] trouble controlling my vehicle" and certainly do adapt my driving. How do you get that from me pointing out that a 4WD car can get out of a slippery junction easier than a FWD car? I'll remind you again what I said:

Try this in the GTI...

* Accelerate out of a wet corner into a small gap in the traffic.

Then try it in the R. Ignoring the power difference the GTI won't be able to get the traction wheras the R will. This is what I miss about Haldex on my last Golf. I can't see me buying a FWD car again for this reason. RWD or 4WD is where it's at for me now.

I later also said:

I never move into an unsafe gap. I said small gap, not inappropriate gap.

The weakness of FWD in this case is that weight shifts to the rear of the car, resulting in the front becoming lighter and traction being lost when the road is wet. Granted it's just as easy to have different issues with RWD if you don't drive carefully. This is why I really do like 4WD systems such as Haldex/Quattro.

My old Golf V6 4motion could launch out of pretty much any road at any time (except ice) while my GTI sits there unwilling at times.

Where does that indicate I drive inappropriately or that I don't have "legit" control of my vehicle? The only conceivable sentence could be the line about the GTI being unwilling at times. However this isn't the point you replied to and it being unwilling is exactly the reason I do adapt my style to the car... safe to move quickly out of a corner in a 4WD and less safe to do so in a FWD as it won't be as sure footed.

In 25 years of driving I've never had a fine or had any points on my license, never been stopped by the police for inappropriate driving, never had a speeding ticket or needed a speed awareness course and the one accident I was involved in was another persons fault way back in the 80's. I drive like a granny most places at the speed limit. I'm fully in control of my vehicle and have driven a wide range of cars going right back to the days of literally no driver aids including no power steering.

It is fascinating that you can judge a persons control of their car by stating an opinion that a car driven by four wheels will be able to get out of a slippery junction easier than one with only the front wheels driven.

Laughable

 

[Participant]

Says the guy wheel spinning into traffic!

Drive like a grown up, leave that kind of silliness for when its appropriate to drive genuinely sportingly. If you are having legit trouble controlling your vehicle then you need to go back to having lessons to teach you to drive to the conditions.

Love it.

 

[DeanT77]

I went from a stage 1 Leon k1 to a 2+ s3.

Get the golf R, far less trouble getting the power down

 

[wingman]

There must be a lot of driving Gods in OCUK motors where the rules of physics don't apply because I got slaughtered a few weeks ago for saying my RWD 320bhp BMW doesn't get the power down well in the wet. It makes progress sure but something like an S3 would be laughing at me off the line.

Weren't you just scared to take it out in the rain and on the motorway? That's why you were slaughtered if memory serves.

 

[Barks]

Weren't you just scared to take it out in the rain and on the motorway? That's why you were slaughtered if memory serves.

No I said that driving in torrential conditions where motorways can become flooded before draining can occur carries a significantly greater risk of an accident occurring. I never said it is impossible for an experienced, skilful driver to have a bit of fun on wet roads - but I suspect some of the people arguing with me were in fact 17 year old driving experts who all drive powerful RWD cars like mine on a daily basis.

Also the following weekend we had a major multi-car accident on the A21 involving both lanes due precisely to drainage problems on the motorway and people seemingly believing their Quattro 4WD system still enables them to 'walk on water' at 80mph.

Sorry I know you brought this up in jest but that thread really P'd me off.