Poll: PETITION: PLEASE BRING MORE SIZES OF MICHELIN SUPERSPORTS TO UK!!

PLEASE VOTE!

  • YES: I WANT SUPERSPORTS BUT CANT GET IN MY SIZE!

    Votes: 45 73.8%

  • YES: I ALREADY HAVE SUPERSPORTS AND THEY ARE SUPERB!

    Votes: 16 26.2%
  • Total voters
    61
Dear. Mr. O'Neill,

Thank you for your email.

Although the PSS are 'E' marked they are not commercialised for the European Market, you could import the tyres, however if there was any future warranty claim it would not be supported by the UK and the tyres would have to be sent back to the USA.
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Simon said:
Oh and the F1AS2 have been amazing in this weather. Heavy rain, standing water on muddy broken B-roads with a load of height changes and corners and I can drive with full confidence whilst carrying decent speed. No point compromising in this regard on a daily driver for a bit of something you think you need for those few track days a year.
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Definitely, I've been really happy with F1AS2's on my Z4, especially in this weather.
 
Simon said:
Oh and the F1AS2 have been amazing in this weather. Heavy rain, standing water on muddy broken B-roads with a load of height changes and corners and I can drive with full confidence whilst carrying decent speed. No point compromising in this regard on a daily driver for a bit of something you think you need for those few track days a year.
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I think the F1AS2 is a lot more suitable to lighter cars for track use or less power/torque maybe when used on track? I say this simply because people with heavier cars, E46 M3, RS4 have chewed through the F1AS2 within a day on track, yet those same people moving to PSS have seen vast improvements, especially on track performance and lifespan.

Its why I'd like the PSS for the M3, so when I am using it on the road, its get superb road ability too, plus the fact they will last 2-3x longer than cups and give near cup dry ability but with far superior road and wet ability.

The 911 has two sets of wheels, I was running the Pirelli Pzero Corsa, which is a semi-slick but with full tread depth for better standing water ability, standard fitment on GT3 and N-Spec, which Porsche recommend for road/wet use over cup tyres. But as soon as temperatures were below 10c and wet I literally had zero confidence on this tyre in the 911. The car was twitchy, skittish and just felt dangerous. Bear in mind these tyres are quite new, only about 1000 miles on them and over 6mm on the rear. I still however decided to change to my nearly worn out PSS on my other wheels, only 2mm on the rear. The dramatic change to the car is simply night and day, it can be just above freezing, wet and yet I can drive with full confidence and at speed on them. In warmer weather on the road the PSS is a match to these tyres, the Corsas are a little better on track and their stiffer sidewalls give them better turn-in which is highlighted more so on track, hence why I got them.

That is why I like the PSS so much, I can beat on them on track and get a lot of track days out of them, I can drive hard on the road for thousands of miles and they work absolutely brilliantly no matter what the weather conditions and also give superb feedback, response and confidence. More importantly they work as good now they are nearly worn out as the day when I got them, I've had so many tyres that at half their life perform nowhere near as good as they did at the start of their life.

I am not knocking the F1AS2 its clearly abundant it is a superb tyre for the road and it specialises in wet conditions. In the recent EVO 2013 test it did very well, but they did rate the Yoko V105 sport better for feedback and lap times both wet and dry I believe if I remember, could be wrong. In the review I posted earlier the PSS was shown as better than the V105 Sport which EVO showed as being better than the F1AS2 if your requirements are more sporty and you do track work. But like Rich says, tyre reviews can only tell you so much, it is factual that different tyres work better on different cars, without a doubt.

It would just be nice to have PSS in more sizes so they were available to more, for me its not such a huge issue any more because next year the cup2 is released in my sizes which incorporates the improvements of the Supersport into the new cup tyre, so longer life and improved wet handling ability, plus even crazier dry ability. :)
 
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I can't imagine Michelin ever taking any action on the back of this thread no matter how many people on OCUK voted yes.

"Pierre, a bunch of computer nerds who are also into cars want us to make more sizes of super sport"..."ooh la la quick, to the moulds!"
 
panthro said:
I can't imagine Michelin ever taking any action on the back of this thread no matter how many people on OCUK voted yes.

"Pierre, a bunch of computer nerds who are also into cars want us to make more sizes of super sport"..."ooh la la quick, to the moulds!"
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Exactly, it reminds me of the guys from the US who did similar and emailed us to get a special batch of the old 10W-60 TWS made. (was about 100litres total)

We make 30ton batches in blend plants!
 
It's only really Gibbo that bangs on about these tyres. The problem with end user reviews is that you get a subset of car users who say that x or y tyre is the best they have ever had. They share this knowledge with their brand / model specific forums and the next thing you know, everyone is buying them and a once good VFM tyre is now as expensive as the rest. We saw it with the Vredestein Sessantas and the Subaru / ZT / BMW forums. I love Vred Sessantas, and, through years of use with them would rate them equal to, if not better than a lot of other leading brand tyres, even though the actual reviews say that they are average. The other thing to consider is that a Vred Sessanta that behaves amazingly on one car, won't on another, and that is true of any tyre.

Based on "OMG buy Contis" reviews, here and elsewhere, I bought some. I'm deepy disappointed with them to the point where I can't wait to get rid of them. Yes, they grip well in the dry, like any other tyre, and they are average in the wet. They seem to have squared off leaving a horrible drone inside the cabin. Based on this, I will happily try some MPSS given that the cost is similar now, but it will be a while before I have all 4 tyres as MPSS as my fronts are still Contis and have a fair bit of life left in them.
 
Gibbo said:
I think the F1AS2 is a lot more suitable to lighter cars for track use or less power/torque maybe when used on track? I say this simply because people with heavier cars, E46 M3, RS4 have chewed through the F1AS2 within a day on track, yet those same people moving to PSS have seen vast improvements, especially on track performance and lifespan.

Its why I'd like the PSS for the M3, so when I am using it on the road, its get superb road ability too, plus the fact they will last 2-3x longer than cups and give near cup dry ability but with far superior road and wet ability.

The 911 has two sets of wheels, I was running the Pirelli Pzero Corsa, which is a semi-slick but with full tread depth for better standing water ability, standard fitment on GT3 and N-Spec, which Porsche recommend for road/wet use over cup tyres. But as soon as temperatures were below 10c and wet I literally had zero confidence on this tyre in the 911. The car was twitchy, skittish and just felt dangerous. Bear in mind these tyres are quite new, only about 1000 miles on them and over 6mm on the rear. I still however decided to change to my nearly worn out PSS on my other wheels, only 2mm on the rear. The dramatic change to the car is simply night and day, it can be just above freezing, wet and yet I can drive with full confidence and at speed on them. In warmer weather on the road the PSS is a match to these tyres, the Corsas are a little better on track and their stiffer sidewalls give them better turn-in which is highlighted more so on track, hence why I got them.

That is why I like the PSS so much, I can beat on them on track and get a lot of track days out of them, I can drive hard on the road for thousands of miles and they work absolutely brilliantly no matter what the weather conditions and also give superb feedback, response and confidence. More importantly they work as good now they are nearly worn out as the day when I got them, I've had so many tyres that at half their life perform nowhere near as good as they did at the start of their life.

I am not knocking the F1AS2 its clearly abundant it is a superb tyre for the road and it specialises in wet conditions. In the recent EVO 2013 test it did very well, but they did rate the Yoko V105 sport better for feedback and lap times both wet and dry I believe if I remember, could be wrong. In the review I posted earlier the PSS was shown as better than the V105 Sport which EVO showed as being better than the F1AS2 if your requirements are more sporty and you do track work. But like Rich says, tyre reviews can only tell you so much, it is factual that different tyres work better on different cars, without a doubt.

It would just be nice to have PSS in more sizes so they were available to more, for me its not such a huge issue any more because next year the cup2 is released in my sizes which incorporates the improvements of the Supersport into the new cup tyre, so longer life and improved wet handling ability, plus even crazier dry ability. :)
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I had a look on the Michelin website and they only do ps2's in 18's sizes for mine so ill just have to stick with them.

Edit: Checked usa website and same story so guess no molds :(
 
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I actually think they are very good on road too, with a really good level of feel and wet weather grip as I said. My rears are now a bit shiny, my own fault, so they are less good now but need to find something quieter next time around.
 
another 225x45x17. Some 235 options for 17" rims would be nice too.

Are these basically a jack of all trades tyre. Drive to a track day then drive home? How do they compare to the more focused tires, R888 595RS-R and AD08 etc on a dry track?

At the moment I have a set of 17" for day to day and 16" for track days. Would be nice to have a tire that can do both ;).
 
Funny I just saw this thread - I'm litterally waiting for my 350Z to have its MPSS's to be fitted this very second! Looking forward to the upgrade from the Falkens it came with :)

Thankyou for making them in 245/45/18 and 225/45/18 :)
 
Gibbo said:
Are you running these now Nick? If so what did you have before, how do they compare out of interest?
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I am- I got a set of 4 last May. Used to have Vredesteins which I never got on with (and overheated quickly on the track). Also used to have PS2s on my 318 and 330d. The Supersports just seem to have a lot more grip in the dry than anything I've ever used before. Most surprisingly they are very hard wearing- the shoulders of my PS2s would look a mess after a track day- with the PSSS there is virtually no noticeable wear.
 
NickXX said:
I am- I got a set of 4 last May. Used to have Vredesteins which I never got on with (and overheated quickly on the track). Also used to have PS2s on my 318 and 330d. The Supersports just seem to have a lot more grip in the dry than anything I've ever used before. Most surprisingly they are very hard wearing- the shoulders of my PS2s would look a mess after a track day- with the PSSS there is virtually no noticeable wear.
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PS2's I found the same on the 911, one track day wore the shoulders hard, though incorrect geo for track can be blamed for this. But one day took 2mm off them. :eek:

Yet the PSS hardly weared yet had more grip. :)
 
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