bbc forcing mixed panels on their shows

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Some women are very funny but ive yet to see a female comedian thats had me properly entertained.

Interestingly my mrs cant stand female comedians at all either, more so than my indifference.
 
Do we have any women on here who find people like Jo Brand or Sarah Milligan funny?

Maybe it's just because I'm a bloke that I can't relate to their jokes.
 
Diane Morgan (Philomena Cunk from Charlie Brooker's Weekly Wipe, Dawn from Pheonix nights) is a favourite of mine atm.
 
The female panelists they get on QI tend to be quite good for the format of the show. Sandy Toksfig (hell if I know how to spell her name ><) is always really good on it.

But in general? On the likes of Mock the Week they always seem to be there for the sake of it. They generally don't contribute anything to the random banter and some of them are really unoriginal.
 
The female panelists they get on QI tend to be quite good for the format of the show. Sandy Toksfig (hell if I know how to spell her name ><) is always really good on it.

But in general? On the likes of Mock the Week they always seem to be there for the sake of it. They generally don't contribute anything to the random banter and some of them are really unoriginal.

Sandy is great. Agreed too- similar with 8 out of 10 cats.

That canadian woman is funny with some of her beat downs but not really heard any jokes
 
Diane Morgan (Philomena Cunk from Charlie Brooker's Weekly Wipe, Dawn from Pheonix nights) is a favourite of mine atm.

The Cunk/****peas/Limmy segments of Weekly Wipe are the worst parts of it. The only decent guest is the Doug Stanhope section.
 
I get your point. I'm saying that the research specifically states that the blind auditions accounted for 30% of the gain. Other factors such as more women applying and changes in orchestra composition accounted for the rest.

no it doesn't an article says that, you've not seen the research or even if the research specifically states problem sin it's findings or any bias or discrepancies.

All you've done is read an article and assume what you're being nudged to believe is the truth.

But still your article proves men are better musicians and they were right all along to discriminate against women if you take it from your view point.

however if you look at it sensible and using ratios as others pointed out you may find that years of bias have lead women to be disenfranchised and not pursue orchestral music careers and the numbers of men applying are heavily against them producing the discrepancy.

of that when hearing of the study more women applied thinking they'd have a discrimination free shot

In short you should have paid less attention in politics and more in science at GCSE.


oh and seriously

As a result, blind auditions have had a significant impact on the face of symphony orchestras. About 10 percent of orchestra members were female around 1970, compared to about 35 percent in the mid-1990s. Rouse and Goldin attribute about 30 percent of this gain to the advent of blind auditions.

Nothing to do with the wildly different social climate for women between the 1970's and 90's? they didn't even perform an experiment they just looked at records from decades ago and made up a conclusion.

me thinks that the Ms Claudia and Cecilia are grinding axes.
 
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Female comedians can be, and frequently are, hilarious. When doing live stand-up. The 1% that break through to TV work have traditionally not been that fantastic at moving from stage to screen when it comes to panel shows. There have been some great female sketch shows and groups for example.

The fact is, you can't just write off females as not funny based on the dozen or so that appear on TV. Once you've seen a decent amount live then you'll have a better idea. Sarah Miilican for example was a fantastic stand-up on the circuit but got all BBC-ised and mainstreamed into what is now basically a funny accent and jokes about her weight (which wasn't the case before, she was almost hot)

Comedy on the BBC is so utterly sterile it's saddening. Year after year they commission absolute toss to appeal to the broadest possible audience and in turn end up appealing to pretty much no one.
 
Female comedians can be, and frequently are, hilarious. When doing live stand-up. The 1% that break through to TV work have traditionally not been that fantastic at moving from stage to screen when it comes to panel shows. There have been some great female sketch shows and groups for example.

The fact is, you can't just write off females as not funny based on the dozen or so that appear on TV. Once you've seen a decent amount live then you'll have a better idea. Sarah Miilican for example was a fantastic stand-up on the circuit but got all BBC-ised and mainstreamed into what is now basically a funny accent and jokes about her weight (which wasn't the case before, she was almost hot)

Yes you can (write them off)... if they can't make the transfer then they don't deserve a guaranteed place on a panel show! It should be based on merit. Next thing you know, you'll have to have a black comedian on every panel show (whilst funnier than female comedians, and I do enjoy some of them - they still tend to play the "black" card too much for my liking - but thats just preference)
 
Yes you can (write them off)... if they can't make the transfer then they don't deserve a guaranteed place on a panel show! It should be based on merit. Next thing you know, you'll have to have a black comedian on every panel show (whilst funnier than female comedians, and I do enjoy some of them - they still tend to play the "black" card too much for my liking - but thats just preference)

But people talk from a point of personal experience when doing comedy. I don't get a lot of black stand-up references, but black people go mad for it. I've done gigs in Brixton where I've been the only white guy on the bill and I've looked puzzled as everyone cracks up at what I seem to think is nothing special. I don't get the frame of reference in a way that a black person from a similar background might, even if I understand it.

You can't write off all women as unfunny, as it's plainly balls. There are brilliant women comics.

It's simple really.

Very few female comics on TV.

Lots of male comics on TV.

People will find a lot of comics on TV unfunny male and female. The balance being that almost all females fall into that because there are less of them. Hell you've only got to see any thread on OcUK that mentions Russell Brand or Ricky Gervais and the hatred for them from some people is palpable. Yet they have millions of fans worldwide. Comedy is as subjective as music or any other art.

The dozen female comics that TV execs have felt comfortable with putting on TV is not representative of a) all women comics and b) everyones tastes. The upside of this is that we may hopefully see a gradual emergence of edgier, sharper and funnier female comics breaking through to the levels that men dominate. Healthy competition that can hopefully show the likes of Miranda how it's really done!
 
Yep, should totes hire them based on looks. Casual sexism is fun :p

If someone is being hired solely because of their sex and they're no good at the job (which was the scenario the person you were replying to described), then their looks are genuinely relevant because they're being hired for physical characteristics alone. In fact, they should perform nude since it has been decreed that their sexual organs and characteristics are the only things that matters.

The sexism is hiring people on the basis of sex rather than relevant ability. An honest and logical conclusion that follows from it isn't really the problem.
 
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