eSRAM the reason Xbox One struggles with 1080p?

[spoffle]

See you're missing the point. How do you know he wasn't only referring to performace of the machine itself? You're presuming he was talking about other/all factors.

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I'm not missing the point, he was just talking about performance, but that isn't the only factor, hence why I contested his point that they are on *a* level playing field.

The performance variable doesn't matter with regards to a level playing field because there are other factors which I have mentioned.

I am not presuming he was talking about others/all factors, I am pointing out that he has ignored those factors to get to the conclusion that it's a level playing field.

Also;

I used to be a heavy pc gamer and I'm aware of what can be done to make your opponent easier to see etc.

I disagree with your comments regarding consoles, you can't turn anything down, or up, or anything of the sort, so in that respect I don't understand how you can say that they are not on a more level playing field than a pc.

This is the part where you're arguing against something I didn't say. I haven't said that consoles aren't on a more level playing field than PCs when you're talking about performance only, despite how irrelevant there typically will never be a situation where it's only performance that is a factor.

 

[Macro]

Silly thread is silly...

Blatently nicked from MOOGLEYS in GD - <Giggle, ducks and runs....>

 

[spoffle]

lol this is getting old.

Console players are on as level a playing field as it gets tbh apart from say a proper LAN setup.

If you're going to go into specifics about lag, tv sizes, third party accessories then yeah obviously it isn't 100% level but it's the closest you will get to one without a LAN, even then at LANs gamers are allowed to bring their own mouses, KB's, etc.

Whoever suggested that skill levels of individual players as well that was surely trolling, obviously some players are better than others, i doubt there's 2 players on the planet that are the exact same skill level they will always do something differently in certain situations, reaction times, habits, etc.

No one has suggested that it isn't a more level playing field. Read the damn posts before you comment instead of skimming them.

I made the point about skill levels, as that alone demonstrates that it's *not* a level playing field (no one is disputing it being "more" level) before any of the others.

I was disputing the suggestion that it was a completely level playing field, which isn't the case at all.

 

[JBeck]

I'm not missing the point, he was just talking about performance, but that isn't the only factor, hence why I contested his point that they are on *a* level playing field.

The performance variable doesn't matter with regards to a level playing field because there are other factors which I have mentioned.

Everyone knows about the other factors, including the guy that made the statement. The fact is, his view was contested when it's not entirely clear exactly what he was referring to in the first place, which is my point...

Anyway really, let's stop!

So eSRAM, I hear it's in a thing called Xbox One.

 

[spoffle]

He's had ample opportunity to clarify, and he's just resorted to twisting what people have said and talking rubbish, so I think it's pretty clear he just didn't know what he was talking about.

 

[JBeck]

Well that's fine but the fact remains his initial comment may have been taken out of context because that comment was not specific.

Don't worry be happy.

 

[phil_t98]

don't Sony have equivalent franchises though?

e.g. Gran Turismo, Drive Club, PGR and Forza

I won't be buying both I don't buy enough games to justify it, I like franchises on both, but I picked Sony because it offers better value for money.

I have really enjoyed Gears and Halo 2 in the past but I cannot really justify having 2 consoles now, I don't game as much as I used to. I have owned both previous MS consoles and all 3 previous Sony consoles as well.

I never picked a console on franchises alone, I picked it based on all the factors.

PSN Plus is a lot better than GOLD
PS4 is better and cheaper than XB1
PS4 is smaller (fits better in my TV unit)


both have always had a good selection of games and equivalents available so it's not something I judged to be a huge factor in my decision.

i was saying that they both have good franchises so pick which you like, at the moment its hard to because theres so few games out.

the PS4 has realy strong points i get that yes its more powerful to, doesn't mean the xbox1 is awful as some are making out, its still a good console and we haven't seen anything near what it can do yet. same with the PS4

PS4 will have some amazing games on it as will the xbox 1, both are great in there own right. We have yet to see what either is capable of in any way yet as the games will only get better

 

[spoffle]

i was saying that they both have good franchises so pick which you like, at the moment its hard to because theres so few games out.

the PS4 has realy strong points i get that yes its more powerful to, doesn't mean the xbox1 is awful as some are making out, its still a good console and we haven't seen anything near what it can do yet. same with the PS4

PS4 will have some amazing games on it as will the xbox 1, both are great in there own right. We have yet to see what either is capable of in any way yet as the games will only get better

A console's worth is related to the games available for it, I am uninterested in Xbox franchises so I know I won't be getting an Xbox One, I am very interested in Playstation games, I have a PS3 and a Vita with a few years of PSPlus already subbed, so I know I'll eventually get a PS4, however at the moment the PS4 hasn't really got any games out that interest me.

A lot of people seem to have a really hard time understanding this.

 

[phil_t98]

A console's worth is related to the games available for it, I am uninterested in Xbox franchises so I know I won't be getting an Xbox One, I am very interested in Playstation games, I have a PS3 and a Vita with a few years of PSPlus already subbed, so I know I'll eventually get a PS4, however at the moment the PS4 hasn't really got any games out that interest me.

A lot of people seem to have a really hard time understanding this.

as am i with PS4 which is why i will be getting an Xbox1

 

[Rusty0611]

When it comes to performance and the inability to take advantage of graphical errors and/or graphical advantages, then consoles are on a level playing field completely.

The original post stated
If he was personally referring to performance only, then he's right. It was others here, spoffle included, that presumed he was also talking about networking, lag, ping etc, which he most probably wasn't.

No - if you're talking about a level playing field then you can't conveniently ignore the aspects of the playing field which doesn't suit your argument.

 

[JBeck]

No - if you're talking about a level playing field then you can't conveniently ignore the aspects of the playing field which doesn't suit your argument.

Oh boy I thought we'd passed this marker, and you're talking nonsense. I wasn't conveniently ignoring any aspects whatsoever. It's already been covered above several times in my replies and I won't be going over it again.

Happy gaming

 

[Rusty0611]

Oh boy I thought we'd passed this marker, and you're talking nonsense. I wasn't conveniently ignoring any aspects whatsoever. It's already been covered above several times in my replies and I won't be going over it again.

Happy gaming

No I'm not you just don't understand the point being made. Your own gross misinterpretation of the original point being made has led you to incoherence.

 

[spoffle]

Oh boy I thought we'd passed this marker, and you're talking nonsense. I wasn't conveniently ignoring any aspects whatsoever. It's already been covered above several times in my replies and I won't be going over it again.

Happy gaming

Not you ignoring it, the guy who originally said it.

 

[Johnnytoxic]

Apologies everyone for not clarifying the situation regarding every single performance variable. How silly to think rainman was not on this forum.

 

[spoffle]

"I know I meant this other thing based on your rebuttal"

 

[wannabedamned]

In future when posting, please provide an appendix and state all sources. We'd also like an overview, sub headings and bullet pointed factoids.

Also while you're at it, if you could add an index and glossary too. And upload in PDF format too, for maximum compatibility.

Thanks

It will in future allow us(spoffle) to understand what is being said, and not lead to a +20 post count of, yeah but you weren't clear!, yeah but thats not what you said!

 

[spoffle]

In future when posting, please provide an appendix and state all sources. We'd also like an overview, sub headings and bullet pointed factoids.

Also while you're at it, if you could add an index and glossary too. And upload in PDF format too, for maximum compatibility.

Thanks

It will in future allow us(spoffle) to understand what is being said, and not lead to a +20 post count of, yeah but you weren't clear!, yeah but thats not what you said!

If you had read the posts properly you would have realised it wasn't me that said it was unclear...

 

[Plainsong]

No one cares. Move on.

 

[spoffle]

That's an interesting definition of no one you have there.

 

[atpbx]

What I love about these type of discussions, be it about mobile phones, games consoles or what ever, is when you have one that is significantly behind the other in terms of performance on release, its always argued that the weaker one will always "get better" and "get closer" to the more powerful one.

But nobody ever argues that the same problems the lower performing thing might have, new architecture, immature drivers, technical issues etc, might also be affecting the more powerful thing.

It really doesn't matter what happens with Xbone, with its drivers, with how they use its esram or what ever, it physically cannot push as many polygons as a PS4 with its hardware.
It will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage to the PS4, any advances made with the Xbone will be countered by advances made on the PS4, there will be no circumstance where the Xbone can be brought to a level where it matches or out performs the PS4 because it cannot physically do it with its current hardware.

So i dont know why we end up having these round and round threads.