Cyclist Assaults Lorry Driver

dacads said:
By road tax people mean vehicle excise duty, stop trying to be clever guys
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Everybody who pays council tax pays for the upkeep of the roads and some motor vehicles don't need to pay VED and cycles fall into that category.
The VED payments go into a big Government pot that get spread out on loads of stuff.
We're not trying to be clever, it's just you need to understand who pays for the upkeep of the roads.
 
lemonade said:
^ Actually they do, schools round here do 1 week cycle awareness courses around twice a school season where the classes go out on bikes with a cycle instructor. Hopefully the next generation of cyclists will have proper etiquettes and abide by rules.
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That's not likely to happen if motorists are anything to go by though. They're tested and licensed but still very often brake the rules.
 
lemonade said:
^ Actually they do, schools round here do 1 week cycle awareness courses around twice a school season where the classes go out on bikes with a cycle instructor. Hopefully the next generation of cyclists will have proper etiquettes and abide by rules.
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So the majority do, as in more than 50% of all kids take an awareness course? Because that's the comment I was replying to.
 
lemonade said:
^ Actually they do, schools round here do 1 week cycle awareness courses around twice a school season where the classes go out on bikes with a cycle instructor. Hopefully the next generation of cyclists will have proper etiquettes and abide by rules.
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The current generation of cyclists do. Just because you get the occasional one who acts like a moron, does not mean they all are.

Once again, you've jumped on the "he's a cyclist!" part of the story, rather than focusing on the actual issue - he's just a ****. His mode of transport is irrelevant.

Oh, and as for somehow thinking that Cycle Awareness is a new thing, it's not. I did it 20 years ago, as did many of the friends I cycle with. So there's plenty of cyclists who have "proper etiquettes and abide by the rules".

Ironically, if you'd followed the rules and etiquettes taught to you when you were learning to drive, you would probably already understand that motorists do not have exclusive rights to use the road and the responsibility to treat other road users with respect and courtesy.
 
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Has a cyclist I agree, it should be law but some drivers have no idea about who pays for the roads.
I do along with other working cyclists.
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That's because people are so used to the term "Road Tax" that it's created a misconception.

Gribs said:
That's not likely to happen if motorists are anything to go by though. They're tested and licensed but still very often brake the rules.
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Yes true that, but and I really hate to generalise but I can only go by my daily experiences 95% of cyclists break the rules and have no etiquettes. I walk to the train station which around a mile from my house every weekday, and on a one way street there is always cyclists cycling on the pavements the wrong way and forcing us pedestrians onto the road. Then on the traffic lights on the opposite road where there is a cycle lane, when the cyclists come across they just zoom past the red lights, this is on a daily basis.

I can't remember the last time a car went the wrong way down the one way road or skipped the red, although plenty have in the past. I just get the impression that cyclists think they can get away with this as they are on a small nimble 'device' as opposed to some big heavy metal 'device'.

So the majority do, as in more than 50% of all kids take an awareness course? Because that's the comment I was replying to.
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I don't know about the whole of the country, but yes in my borough most schools do and I know in other boroughs in the city also have some schemes running.
 
Cosmic182 said:
Just google road tax and it still brings you to VED. It says road tax, yes I'm fully aware "road tax was scrapped" but the majority of people you talk to would commonly say it as road tax or car tax :rolleyes: You're just trying to bump your ego and IQ by trying to be politically correct. As I say roads are designed for motorists not cyclists, don't like it? then go find your designated CYCLIST route. Plenty of them...Councils seem to spend more money on cyclists than motorists, a prime example is a local cycle track that cost in excess of £900k + here in York, guess what? No cyclists use it!
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Care to quote which cycle track? As I'm pretty sure I know which one and I use it regularly and judging by the amount of the other people I see a lot of other do as well:p
 
Participant said:
Hopefully right next to the dislike button, because your posts are full of a lack of intelligence.



Yeah, course they do! Oh and where shall I send my cheque for £0 to pay my road tax?
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Sorry I forgot "intelligence" on this forum means putting a load of googled synonym intelligent sophisticated words together, right :) I love how this forum tries to be very intellectual and sophisticated, yet criticizes other members for having personal opinions that don't meet their own. Also it is motors so everyone is wrong.
 
Conscript said:
The current generation of cyclists do. Just because you get the occasional one who acts like a moron, does not mean they all are.

Once again, you've jumped on the "he's a cyclist!" part of the story, rather than focusing on the actual issue - he's just a ****. His mode of transport is irrelevant.

Oh, and as for somehow thinking that Cycle Awareness is a new thing, it's not. I did it 20 years ago, as did many of the friends I cycle with. So there's plenty of cyclists who have "proper etiquettes and abide by the rules".

Ironically, if you'd followed the rules and etiquettes taught to you when you were learning to drive, you would probably already understand that motorists do not have exclusive rights to use the road and the responsibility to treat other road users with respect and courtesy.
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I'm not talking about voluntary cycle awareness course, when I was in school we never had any sort of cycle awareness course, nowadays schools take the kids out for proper courses.

Where did I say that motorists have exclusive rights to the road? Calm down, I used to cycle before on the road and if anyone said I don't have the right to be on the road then I would give them a slap. I can honestly say too that I have never given **** out to cyclists but I never get any respect back from them either as a motorist or pedestrian, and they have the foulest mouths like cowards who swear then speed away.
 
divaboy said:
Care to quote which cycle track? As I'm pretty sure I know which one and I use it regularly and judging by the amount of the other people I see a lot of other do as well:p
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I doubt you do, Haxby round about up to Clifton Moor. The road has/had a designated cycle track lane and no one ever used that. The council then decides to spend in excess of £900k to run a 6ft cycle track the length of the bypass. Still no ones uses it. What a waste of council tax payers money! Wouldn't have minded had it of been on a road where you see dozens of cyclists every day, you're lucky if you see 1 a day.
 
Cosmic182 said:
Sorry I forgot "intelligence" on this forum means putting a load of googled synonym intelligent sophisticated words together, right :) I love how this forum tries to be very intellectual and sophisticated, yet criticizes other members for having personal opinions that don't meet their own. Also it is motors so everyone is wrong.
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So, in straight forward terms, even after your confusion between "road tax and VED" - what is the advantage of cyclists "paying road tax" when, given the rates are calculated on emissions, the "road tax" would have a rate of £0?
Would you respect them more if they had to fill out a bit of paperwork to claim their exemption but still make no monetary contribution via "road tax"?
 
lemonade said:
I don't know about the whole of the country, but yes in my borough most schools do and I know in other boroughs in the city also have some schemes running.
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Cosmic said "the majority of children these days take part in a cycle awareness course", not that most schools or most boroughs run them. You must surely understand the difference?
 
the_r_sole said:
So, in straight forward terms, even after your confusion between "road tax and VED" - what is the advantage of cyclists "paying road tax" when, given the rates are calculated on emissions, the "road tax" would have a rate of £0?
Would you respect them more if they had to fill out a bit of paperwork to claim their exemption but still make no monetary contribution via "road tax"?
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:D

Don't think he's getting it at all man. Not at all.
 
Conscript said:
Ironically, if you'd followed the rules and etiquettes taught to you when you were learning to drive, you would probably already understand that motorists do not have exclusive rights to use the road and the responsibility to treat other road users with respect and courtesy.
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From 1975 to July 2012 I've been driving so have vast experience of what it's like to be a **** in a car. It was only when I started to cycle I realised what a **** I was along with lots of other drivers.
From the first day I went out on my bike I have tried to be 100% compliant on the roads but that isn't good enough because the attitude of most drivers is I shouldn't be there.
My route to and from work continually changes depending on what 'incident' occurs so for example I learned in the first week not to go over the roundabout by my house so I avoid it. I quickly learned not to go to the lights and turn left so I mount the pavement for 10 yards. All the things I'm allowed to do I can't do because of idiot drivers, so in places I'm forced to a pavement or walking path or whatever.
I've learned that even though I'm riding at 30 mph in a 30 mph zone, cars still want to get past me and turn left, cars want to pull out on me and they want to turn right in front of me.
I can't believe I used to have this attitude and now I give cyclists all the respect they deserve.
 
the_r_sole said:
So, in straight forward terms, even after your confusion between "road tax and VED" - what is the advantage of cyclists "paying road tax" when, given the rates are calculated on emissions, the "road tax" would have a rate of £0?
Would you respect them more if they had to fill out a bit of paperwork to claim their exemption but still make no monetary contribution via "road tax"?
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I'm big enough to hold my hand up and state my quoting of road tax was misinterpreted. What I should have said was when cyclists pay the same as motorists (insurance, test fees etc) (I was not fully aware some vehicles pay £0 in VED) and have equivalent tests/training as a motorist, that's when I personally think they should have the same say. Agree or disagree, that's my opinion. In your eyes its wrong, fair enough, just respect its another persons opinion. Doesn't mean I'm right. Why should a cyclist be able to cycle on main roads that motorists have to pay excess amounts in to use? A cyclist is as dangerous to a motorists as vice versa. Half the cyclists on roads have no commen sense let alone road awareness. If you swerved infront of my car to avoid a pot hole, it would be my fault, not yours as a cyclist. About time they brought out insurance for cyclists or some scheme that makes them contribute (I'm not saying motorists are perfect either!)
 
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but you didn't say any of that - and now you are accusing me of saying it's wrong?!
What you said was indeed wrong, what you have changed your story to is not what I have commented on so you don't have to tell me what I think about that!
 
Cosmic182 said:
Why should a cyclist be able to cycle on main roads that motorists have to pay excess amounts in to use?
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What does a motorist pay over a cyclist to be able to use the roads?
Remember that roads are paid out of Council tax and normal taxes so I await your reply.

Cosmic182 said:
Half the cyclists on roads have no commen sense let alone road awareness.
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Since I started cycling 18 months ago I reckon 90% of motorists have no common sense.
Apologies the vast majority of women and old people show common sense when it comes to cyclists so I mean 90% of males.

Cosmic182 said:
About time they brought out insurance for cyclists
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This I agree with
 
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