Cyclist Assaults Lorry Driver

[Dis86]

I'm big enough to hold my hand up and state my quoting of road tax was misinterpreted. What I should have said was when cyclists pay the same as motorists (insurance, test fees etc) (I was not fully aware some vehicles pay £0 in VED) and have equivalent tests/training as a motorist, that's when I personally think they should have the same say. Agree or disagree, that's my opinion. In your eyes its wrong, fair enough, just respect its another persons opinion. Doesn't mean I'm right. Why should a cyclist be able to cycle on main roads that motorists have to pay excess amounts in to use? A cyclist is as dangerous to a motorists as vice versa. Half the cyclists on roads have no commen sense let alone road awareness. If you swerved infront of my car to avoid a pot hole, it would be my fault, not yours as a cyclist. About time they brought out insurance for cyclists or some scheme that makes them contribute (I'm not saying motorists are perfect either!)

As has already been mentioned, when was the last time a cyclist caused the death of a car user or even seriously injured one?

You seem to be completely forgetting or ignorant of the fact that a 1+ ton motor vehicle is going to and does do substantially more damage in terms of collisions and road wear than a 10kg bike. As well as costs (in most cases) a massive amount more to repair.

As I pointed out in a thread about 6 months back, in the last 10 years two pedestrians have been killed by cyclists (both of whom were on the path and not the road).
How many have been killed by motorists? Hmm?
How many cyclists have been killed by motorists?

That's why cyclists will and should never pay anywhere near as much as other road users.

 

[the_r_sole]

Hence why I said what "I should have said"

and you still said that in my eyes it was wrong - but it was a completely different point you came out with to the question I posed - I never said anything about what you "should have said"!
No wonder you are using the confused smiley...

 

[Cosmic182]

What does a motorist pay over a cyclist to be able to use the roads?
Remember that roads are paid out of Council tax and normal taxes so I await your reply

Insurance....

Maybe half of these incidents with cyclists wouldn't occur if the cyclist thought " well this may affect my premium if I have an accident/cause damage" etc

 

[Cosmic182]

How many have been killed by motorists? Hmm?
How many cyclists have been killed by motorists?

Well then its about time they brought out insurance and an awareness scheme that cyclists have to pass to be able to use the road as I can guarantee not all cyclist deaths caused by a vehicle are the motorists fault!! Hmm.

 

[Dunks]

Well then its about time they brought out insurance and an awareness scheme that cyclists have to pass to be able to use the road as I can guarantee not all cyclist deaths caused by a vehicle are the motorists fault!! Hmm.

Really? I imagine most accidents between vehicles and cyclists could be potentially life ending for the cyclist, I doubt an increase in insurance premiums would be going through their minds.

 

[mattyprice4004]

Jumped up bunch of angry two wheeled idiots tbh.

Second post, and we're heading for another flame war.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Insurance....

Maybe half of these incidents with cyclists wouldn't occur if the cyclist thought " well this may affect my premium if I have an accident/cause damage" etc

And I already agreed we should pay insurance if we share the roads

 

[Dis86]

Well then its about time they brought out insurance and an awareness scheme that cyclists have to pass to be able to use the road as I can guarantee not all cyclist deaths caused by a vehicle are the motorists fault!! Hmm.

Yet motorists do have these things and the vast majority of cyclist deaths are their faults...

 

[the_r_sole]

I wonder what the insurance would be like on a Rayleigh extreme?
And even then, insurance won't cover either party where a cyclist has battered a car driver, or vice versa!
I wonder what the risks that required insurance would be, I think mine is insured against theft already on my home insurance - so it would only really be a third party insurance, but then, would you need a registation for each bike so that your insurance could be checked by the police, there may be some issues with implementing this idea I feel....

 

[Cosmic182]

Where are your statistics though to show that the motorist in the vehicle is to blame for these deaths? I understand that the vast majority of cyclist deaths are vehicle related, but that's not saying that the driver is at cause for these deaths. You could have 100 deaths a year and 100% all involved with a vehicle, but only 10% of these deaths could be driver related one year, another year it could be vice versa. So where do the statistics come from to say that over x amount of years the driver is to blame. From what I've seen its usually 50/50 and both to blame! i.e both not looking properly. I've noticed a lot of cyclists rarely look at junctions etc or thinking they have right of way. The majority of cyclists look at you half the time with a look of "wtf are you doing on the road".

 

[Demon]

Ok guys picture the scene.

Cyclists gives 2 fingers to HGV driver. HGV driver gets out to have a "word".
Come on...The HGV driver got out to give him a slap and got his ass handed to him.

Most likely...

You seem to get pillocks on both side of the fence, just look at the people here with such disdain for all cyclists, they seem just as bad as the cyclists who have total disdain for all car drivers..

You reap what you sow and all that..

 

[Janesy B]

LOL at the 'pay road tax and you can have a say' quote. Utterly brilliant. Everyone deserves to be respected regardless of whether or not they pay VED on the emissions their vehicle emits.

I think this is another case of two idiots meeting on the road.

 

[Participant]

As ever Janesy B, the voice of reason.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

If a vehicle has to pay tax for use of roads why should a cyclist not? Last time I knew it was a mode of transport. It seems lately that cyclists think the road is for them and motorists are the ones who shouldn't be using the road. You get more global warming and foul emissions from a cyclists mouth than you do a car Bunch of angry two wheels idiots - as said, about sums the majority of cyclists up.

It's emission based on CO2 so they would be rated free anyway with emissions around 20g/km, just like my car at 80

 

[Millwall.FC]

99% of tests that you are required to take to use a piece of machinery (motorbike, car, plane, helicopter etc) is because you'd be a risk to OTHER people if you used that machinery without proper training. A cyclist is a risk to no one other than their selves - I can count on the fingers of one hand where a cyclist has injured someone else on the road (zerbra crossings seem an achilles heel) and I can't find one single instance where a cyclist has caused the death of a person in a car.

Or are you proposing that pedestrians and horse riders using the roads are also tested and insured?

So a cyclist jumping a red light or ignoring a zebra crossing is only a danger to them self's? Explains why its common practice.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I've noticed a lot of cyclists rarely look at junctions etc or thinking they have right of way.

What a crock, even the retards without lights, dark clothing and no helmet realise if they don't stop at junctions they stand a chance of getting squashed

The majority of cyclists look at you half the time with a look of "wtf are you doing on the road".

Again complete rubbish, cyclists look at drivers as though they shouldn't be on the road?
You really believe that?
I'm pretty sure most cyclists know their place.

The cyclist 'look' you see is 'WTF did you do that for?'.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Well then its about time they brought out insurance and an awareness scheme that cyclists have to pass to be able to use the road as I can guarantee not all cyclist deaths caused by a vehicle are the motorists fault!! Hmm.

You do realise 95% of all cyclists on the roads also hold a valid driving license, so are already well versed in " the rules of the road".

 

[Millwall.FC]

You can't really blame the cyclists who ignore the rules, a measly fine once a week is still cheaper than the train.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

So a cyclist jumping a red light or ignoring a zebra crossing is only a danger to them self's? Explains why its common practice.

I can't find a single instance of a third party being killed in the UK by a cyclist doing the above, whereas I can find hundreds of instances where a third party has been killed when a car/motorbike does the same.

 

[lemonade]

Cosmic said "the majority of children these days take part in a cycle awareness course", not that most schools or most boroughs run them. You must surely understand the difference?

Yeh that's why I said I don't know about the whole of the country maybe Cosmic knows something I don't, so go play your silly pedantic semantics elsewhere, it doesn't make you look any more intelligent.