Cyclist Assaults Lorry Driver

Cosmic182 said:
Where are your statistics though to show that the motorist in the vehicle is to blame for these deaths? I understand that the vast majority of cyclist deaths are vehicle related, but that's not saying that the driver is at cause for these deaths. You could have 100 deaths a year and 100% all involved with a vehicle, but only 10% of these deaths could be driver related one year, another year it could be vice versa. So where do the statistics come from to say that over x amount of years the driver is to blame. From what I've seen its usually 50/50 and both to blame! i.e both not looking properly. I've noticed a lot of cyclists rarely look at junctions etc or thinking they have right of way. The majority of cyclists look at you half the time with a look of "wtf are you doing on the road".
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They're easily accessible government hse statistics.
 
Cosmic182 said:
I doubt you do, Haxby round about up to Clifton Moor. The road has/had a designated cycle track lane and no one ever used that. The council then decides to spend in excess of £900k to run a 6ft cycle track the length of the bypass. Still no ones uses it. What a waste of council tax payers money! Wouldn't have minded had it of been on a road where you see dozens of cyclists every day, you're lucky if you see 1 a day.
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Oh yes I do , if you look on a weekday around the normal rush hour you'll see me :)

In fact I'm out my bike soon , if you see me give me a wave :D
 
mattyg said:
Ok guys picture the scene.

Cyclists gives 2 fingers to HGV driver. HGV driver gets out to have a "word".
Come on...The HGV driver got out to give him a slap and got his ass handed to him.
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That was why the cyclist slammed the door on his head as he got back in the cab...

Cyclist was clearly an aggressive coward who waited until the guys back was turned to injure him with a weapon.

I find it astonishing that you can condone this behaviour.
 
Some major parts of this story are missing and clearly mis-reported. Anyone who gets out their vehicle isn't doing so "to speak" to me. What utter garbage.

This story stinks of bull**** to me. Just another anti-cylist backlash imo.
 
I am a car driver and no angel on the road but to be honest I see more bad cyclists than bad motor vehicle drivers!
 
Jonny69 said:
Some major parts of this story are missing and clearly mis-reported. Anyone who gets out their vehicle isn't doing so "to speak" to me. What utter garbage.

This story stinks of bull**** to me. Just another anti-cylist backlash imo.
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Why because Cyclists are angels and never do anything wrong?

There is NO justification for violence of any description, let alone slamming a door on someone's head, knocking them unconscious and riding off.

ANY decent human being would have at least had alarm bells ringing when they knocked someone out and rang for an ambulance, the cyclist was clearly a violent coward whatever happened.
 
koolpc said:
I am a car driver and no angel on the road but to be honest I see more bad cyclists than bad motor vehicle drivers!
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This 100%, you can add motorcyclists in there too. The number of both who do not understand the term at risk activity or the concept of road markings makes them the scariest thing out for me...
 
The trouble with cycling hard (or any other kind of hard exercise) is that it has temporary psychological effects which have no place on the road - it increases egoism, reduces risk aversion and increases aggressiveness.
 
Dr Who said:
That was why the cyclist slammed the door on his head as he got back in the cab...

Cyclist was clearly an aggressive coward who waited until the guys back was turned to injure him with a weapon.

I find it astonishing that you can condone this behaviour.
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We will never know what really occurred, but I think you have to be extremely naive to believe the HGV driver was getting out to have a friendly chit chat, and he got banged out. Now there are people who will, due to agression issues or out of fear, swing punches far far far too quickly but they are a very rare breed and it's highly unlikely.

Just like with the Audi driver who stood and banged with the cyclist who thought he would get a little agro, live by the bang die by the bang.
 
hurfdurf said:
We will never know what really occurred, but I think you have to be extremely naive to believe the HGV driver was getting out to have a friendly chit chat, and he got banged out. Now there are people who will, due to agression issues or out of fear, swing punches far far far too quickly but they are a very rare breed and it's highly unlikely.

Just like with the Audi driver who stood and banged with the cyclist who thought he would get a little agro, live by the bang die by the bang.
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And it is really assumptive to suggest he got out to have a go after he had already gestured to the cyclist to slow down and not try to pass. I have been on the receiving end of all kinds of insults for trying to warn other road users of dangers ahead, I just shrug them off an laugh at their impending misfortune, I don't get out have a go and try and maim them.

The violence of the Audi passenger has nothing to do with this, both were wrong and 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I repeat, whatever the situation/cause insults can be shrugged off, people choose to react to them and violence will get you locked up way quicker than a few insults, which in this case started with the cyclist from reports.

As to whether we will know for sure, you cannot say that with any degree of certainty as we do not know what witnesses were present. Clearly someone saw enough to call an ambulance.

One thing we can say for sure is that in the case of the Audi the cyclist started the insults, and that appears to be the case here.
 
Dr Who said:
That was why the cyclist slammed the door on his head as he got back in the cab...

Cyclist was clearly an aggressive coward who waited until the guys back was turned to injure him with a weapon.

I find it astonishing that you can condone this behaviour.
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Cyclist may have been an aggressive Coward.

But the HGV driver was clearly aggressive.

The HGV driver may have been going to get his bat out of his cab.

No-one knows.

But it wouldn't have happened had the Driver stayed in his cab
 
Conscript said:
Exactly.

The majority of roads quite clearly weren't designed for motor vehicles. Otherwise, HGVs wouldn't have problems negotiating rural roads and this whole situation might never have come about.

The guy acted like a ********. But he was probably a ******** anyway; it didn't happen because he got on a bike, and it doesn't mean everyone who uses a bike is a ********.

The story here really is that one road user assaulted another with very little reason; NOT that he was a cyclist.
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maybe

but there does seem to be a certain "siege mentality" that gets adopted by many when they take to the roads in a push bike. Kind of like the mentality that gets adopted by women in the boxing day sales.

Normal rules of social behaviour go out the window and people behave completely differently to how they normally do at home or in the workplace. The idiot in question likely doesn't have a previous criminal record for assault, or have a history of violet behaviour towards others....
but when they get on a push bike and take to the road ....
 
Fr0dders said:
maybe

but there does seem to be a certain "siege mentality" that gets adopted by many when they take to the roads in a push bike. Kind of like the mentality that gets adopted by women in the boxing day sales.

Normal rules of social behaviour go out the window and people behave completely differently to how they normally do at home or in the workplace. The idiot in question likely doesn't have a previous criminal record for assault, or have a history of violet behaviour towards others....
but when they get on a push bike or behind the wheel and take to the road ....
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I like this thread. Some people who seemed to think it was ok for the Audi passenger to lamp a cyclist now think it's wrong for a cyclist to lamp a driver.
 
Dis86 said:
I like this thread. Some people who seemed to think it was ok for the Audi passenger to lamp a cyclist now think it's wrong for a cyclist to lamp a driver.
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Except this wasn't a good old fashioned punch up the equivalent of a handbag whack. The cowardly cyclist whacked the door at the driver as he was getting out and knocked him unconscious and gave him a head injury then no doubt ran off as fast as he could, completely different to a silly weak right hooker by the Audi driver, not that the latter is a saint or anything for doing that but the act ain't comparable.
 
lemonade said:
Except this wasn't a good old fashioned punch up the equivalent of a handbag whack. The cowardly cyclist whacked the door at the driver as he was getting out and knocked him unconscious and gave him a head injury then no doubt ran off as fast as he could, completely different to a silly weak right hooker by the Audi driver, not that the latter is a saint or anything for doing that but the act ain't comparable.
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Oh, my mistake, I didn't realise that how you assault someone makes all the difference.

I must read up on what is an acceptable way to try to remove someones head from their shoulders and what isn't!
 
Dis86 said:
Oh, my mistake, I didn't realise that how you assault someone makes all the difference.

I must read up on what is an acceptable way to try to remove someones head from their shoulders and what isn't!
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That wasn't my point, clearly there is a difference between the severity of an attack, for example slapping someone without any injury is on a different level to bashing someone with a baseball and leaving them unconscious.
 
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