Electronic cigarettes pros and cons.

McGray said:
I can say, hand on heart, I wouldn't have given up smoking without these (now smoke/vape free).
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I can also say that +1.

Hand on heart I gave up smoking started vaping, got into that for about 8 months and I was into it all the way custom juice custom mods.

Then I went vape free and I have not vaped/smoked for almost a year.

I have NO cravings what so ever in anyway even when extremely stressed. Vaping changed the nature of my addiction to the nicotine it made me not dependant on it and I went to it more as a habbit then something I couldnt live without.

Which meant giving it up was far easier.
 
twist3d0n3 said:
horses for courses tho, my friend started vaping around the same time as me, but has reverted back to smoking because it doesn't provide enough 'escape' from work etc (he's a chef). he finds he uses it far more regularly but without providing a big enough hit.
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That all comes down to standard of kit/juice.

Resistance of coil on the atomizer or carto & the strength of the juice itself and the balance of PG/VG.

I have tried low res atomizers with high pg juices which were absolutely insane when it came to throat hit.

So yeah it all comes down to what you use aswell, some products are better then others really just like any other consumer product.
 
Been Vaping since Saturday and can't believe I didn't try this sooner. Gave up smoking for 4 months and was a proper moody /stroppy/baby, but feel good with Vaping and it isn't a rag but a good subsitute none the less.
 
subbytna said:
Inhaling anything into your lungs isn't good.
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We better ban asthma inhalers then and what the hell are Doctors doing prescribing them?

Seriously though your lungs are pretty damn tough, through evolution they have become resistant to all manner foreign bodies and deal with them pretty well.

Even with all the crap in cigarettes, it takes years of continued and heavy use before problems can appear.
 
Rilot said:
Much the same could be said of alcohol but no one is trying to encourage me to give up my nightly tot of whiskey.

Smoking we know is definitely lethal however vaping is - so far - shown to have no major harmful effects.
I enjoy vaping much more than I enjoyed smoking because - lets face it - cigarettes taste like crap. Vaping some nice custard flavour is certainly better.
This has actually led on to another consequence of vaping which is that I also stopped eating sweets and chocolate. I get my sugar taste from vaping and so have lost a significant amount of weight since I stopped smoking. Most people pile on the pounds.

It seems to me a relatively harmless passtime much like drinking coffee or taking a drink.
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The main differences between alcohol and nicotine is that nicotine is far more addictive and far more toxic. Most people who drink are not addicted to alcohol even if they greatly enjoy it and the lethality of alcohol is many orders of magnitude less than nicotine. Nicotine has a neurophysiological addiction very similar to cocaine and heroin, it is also similarly toxic as potassium cyanide and many other potent poisons. Alcohol also is not carcinogenic but there are many studies linking nicotine to cancer.

Alcohol consumption is not great but moderate use is less damaging than nicotine with far less chance of becoming addicted.


Edit: the biggest issue with nicotine is that the euphoria/happy/relaxed feeling from the stimulant is reduced as you get addicted and your brain adapts until the point that all that nicotine ingestion is doing is mitigation the physical addiction rather than actually acting as a stimulant. Let's say you are typically say 100% happy/relaxed as a baseline, you start smoking cigs and they make you feel 120%. However, over time you get loess of a hit and the addiction brings your baseline right down. Eventually you are only going to feel like 50-60% happy until you smoke and that gets you up to 80% so it may feel like it has helped a lot but you are still worse off than if you weren't addicted. With alcohol until you get addicted you don't show such behaviors, the same goes for many other recreational drugs that are far less addictive - you get the high but without getting as easily addicted you don't suffer withdrawal symponts and the cravings .
 
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Allnamestaken said:
That all comes down to standard of kit/juice.

Resistance of coil on the atomizer or carto & the strength of the juice itself and the balance of PG/VG.

I have tried low res atomizers with high pg juices which were absolutely insane when it came to throat hit.

So yeah it all comes down to what you use aswell, some products are better then others really just like any other consumer product.
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it's not just that tho, the shop he got his kit from asking him how many he smoked a day and recommended him 1.8% juice, which imo isn't enough. he should've tried stronger stuff before giving up completely, but that's his choice at the end of the day.
 
Rilot said:
I smoked 20 a day for 25 years. I switched to vaping last year and haven't touched a ciggie since.
I make my own fluids so I know EXACTLY what's in it (aqueous glycerine, clinical grade nicotine, flavourings).

There appears to be no cons to it other than having to charge batteries etc.

My view of vaping is, harmful or not, it's LESS harmful than smoking and so if it gets smokers to quit tobacco then it's a good thing.
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Could you accidentally give yourself a lethal dose? (A question, not a request).
 
D.P. said:
The main differences between alcohol and nicotine is that nicotine is far more addictive and far more toxic. Most people who drink are not addicted to alcohol even if they greatly enjoy it and the lethality of alcohol is many orders of magnitude less than nicotine. Nicotine has a neurophysiological addiction very similar to cocaine and heroin, it is also similarly toxic as potassium cyanide and many other potent poisons. Alcohol also is not carcinogenic but there are many studies linking nicotine to cancer.
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What a load of tripe.

If nicotine was as bad as you suggest, why would it be allowed in NRT products and prescribed on the NHS?

Furthermore, most of what you said above could be said about caffeine and it would just as accurate (and no less ridiculous in practical reality).
 
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godinman said:
Could you accidentally give yourself a lethal dose? (A question, not a request).
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If I were to drink the 74mg nicotine base that I use, sure, I would be very ill and could die. TBH if I drank the fluid I make it would also probably kill me.

Not sure about vaping it though. Maybe if I just continuously vaped the base liquid.
 
estebanrey said:
What a load of tripe.

If nicotine was as bad as you suggest, why would it be allowed in NRT products and prescribed on the NHS?

Furthermore, most of what you said above could be said about caffeine and it would just as accurate (and no less ridiculous in practical reality).
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Nicotine is at least 1000-2000x more toxic than caffine, is far less addictive (although shows limited addictive side effects) and is not carcinogenic.

But your point is worthless, just because some thing else is potentially dangerous doesn't mean that another thing is safe. Not least the whole comparison is flawed, nicotine's addictive properties are much closer to cocaine or heroin, and it's toxicity is similar to that of cyanide. Caffine is far less addictive and many orders of magnitude less toxic.

As to why nicotine exists in NRT, why do you think th NHS prescribes methadone to heroine addicts?
 
Mournblade said:
show me one that is not linked to tobacco nicotine on its own is not carcinogenic
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http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v12/i46/7428.htm

This editorial focuses on the role of nicotine, a mitogen, in the induction of signaling pathways resulting in proliferation of pancreatic tumor cells
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To be clear, nicotine is likely not the main carcinogen found in cigarettes but there is plenty of mounting evidence that it is carcinogenic by itself. Studies on humans are more limited at this point in time simply because until recently few people were willing to ingest nicotine out with smoking tobacco in some form. Within animal studies there is strong evidence that nicotine alone increased the risk of various cancers. That is the same kind of evidence uses for ban many carcinogenic compounds. Quite simply, giving 1000 people a toxin and 1000 people a placebo is not ever tested obviously, so carcinogenic properties of chemical in humans are discovered indirectly and from animal studies.
 
Mournblade said:
show me one that is not linked to tobacco nicotine on its own is not carcinogenic
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/cancerrisk.htm
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Here is more:

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jphs/94/4/94_4_348/_article

Nicotine worsens the detrimental effects of aggressive factors and attenuates the protective actions of defensive factors in the processes of development and repair of gastric ulceration. Nicotine also takes part in the initiation and promotion of carcinogenesis in the GI tract. In this regard, nicotine and its metabolites are found to be mutagenic and have the ability to modulate cell proliferation, apoptosis, and angiogenesis during tumoriogenesis through specific receptors and signalling pathways.
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D.P. said:
Here is more:

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jphs/94/4/94_4_348/_article
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So would you recommend smoking as a safer alternative to vaping?

Most smokers have tried conventional means of quitting smoking and failed. I read the books, chewed the gum, tried the patches and never succeeded. I smoked heavily for 14 years and now I don't. So, that's a win for me. I have saved thousands of pounds, don't smell terrible, and my lungs aren't full of brown stuff. Unless vaping is shown to be worse than smoking, which it won't be, then I will vape instead of smoking.
 
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