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John Carmack Says to Take Nvidia's K1 Claims with Several Grains of Salt

Very true. They give us things that work, so us idiots don't have to keep messing with settings in AB/TriXX and whatever else that AMD need to do to get their cards working. Hats off to the AMD guys for having to use their brains to use AMD equipment :p

And when you circumvent the idiot proof Nvidia bios, is it the user that then becomes the idiot when it goes boom?:p
 
Under warranty isn't it , so why not :p. better than opening your new toy only to find it's broken for you already. 1x sapphire 290 going back and I've not even used it :D
 
Very true. They give us things that work, so us idiots don't have to keep messing with settings in AB/TriXX and whatever else that AMD need to do to get their cards working. Hats off to the AMD guys for having to use their brains to use AMD equipment :p

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For shame greg, for shame!
 
Greggles knows what he's doing

NVIDIA do not support overclocking or overclockers!! Titan is awful without external VRM you put 1.35 in most instances its bang and boom!!! AMD stock VRM 1.55 no problem!! This tells you what Nvidia is about low return rates and low power states!!

Obviously, he didn't.:o

Another way for Nvidia to manage margins high priced neutered gear.;)

Ain't that what warranty is for?

He got lucky no one tested the bios for tampering.;)
 
Obviously, he didn't.:o

Another way for Nvidia to manage margins high priced neutered gear.;)

He got lucky no one tested the bios for tampering.;)

You can re-flash the old bios onto a dead card. Not sure how they would ever be able to tell even if they wanted to.

Are you just trolling him or something?
 
Nvidia released Tegra, lied about power usage, performance and availability. Due to these lies it looked great on paper and loads of customers started making designs.... it was late, over power and not as fast as they said so loads of customers got screwed BUT everyone makes a mistake. So Tegra 2 came along. Nvidia did the same thing, same result, same customers getting screwed. Tegra 3 came along, the PR train of BS was still in full swing, some customers had wised up, a few more got screwed. Tegra 4 came along, more lies, more lateness..... few to no customers got screwed, why, because Nvidia burned all their bridges, no one believed Nvidia, no one made products based on Nvidia's lies, Tegra 4 crashed and burned and cost Nvidia massively as no one was buying it... hence Nvidia making loads of their own Tegra 4 products.

Tegra K1.... who knows, they've burned all their bridges, the PR is still obviously BS, no announcements from customers on design wins despite supposedly being available in the first half of the year. Previous years such chips available in h1 would be being talked up in dozens of products at CES, k1/Nvidia products, nadda.

Even if Nvidia finally made a good product when you lie and burn all your customers for 4 years straight, no one actually wants to work with you even if you have the best product, more importantly, no one at all believes your numbers.

Anandtech did a Tegra 3 or 4(forget which) preview which showed competition beating numbers but with no power.... months later it turned out Nvidia burned Anandtech, used their relationship to have Anandtech push out a BS article comparing sub 2W apple/other chips vs a 10W version of Nvidia's chip... yeah, no **** it was faster.

Anandtech REFUSED to do a k1 preview because Nvidia was unwilling to tell them how much power their test system used... fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Yet another person they work with lied to who now won't be their shill any more.

Aside from the fact Nvidia made the claim about console level gaming for both Tegra 2.(in passing comments rather than numbers, really, and had Carmack suggest as much in a video... which is probably why Carmack is calling shens), and actually for Tegra 3 they used numbers to show it was console competitive. We then have the k1 actual numbers. Different slides in which in some it says "this chip is X powerful" and in other slides it says "this chip uses 2W"..... but with no indication these are both the same thing. This is exactly what they did to Anandtech, they had out numbers this chip can achieve(at 10W + ) and tell everyone how much power it will use when running in a phone (2W) and never actually physically say, these two things are impossible to achieve together.

Take any Apple/Qualcomm chip, stick a heatsink that can dissipate 20W on it crank the clocks up 30% cpu 100% gpu, and have zero throttling and you'd get 3-4 times the performance AT LEAST. Nvidia is comparing this unregulated, fully clocked, insane power version to the competitors throttled down clocked phone versions.

For instance the gpu Apple has in their current best chip runs at essentially half the full clock the chip was designed for, and half the gflops, and will certainly throttle inside a phone when under TDP limits and almost no cooling. But that gpu by design can go easily twice as fast and unthrottled, no problem being several times faster.
 
I love how he always remembers the companies that call NV out too. lol.

No digs at Carmack this time though, he's batting for the same team this time ;)

Loves a conspiracy does our DM

This is my fav:

Take any Apple/Qualcomm chip, stick a heatsink that can dissipate 20W on it crank the clocks up 30% cpu 100% gpu, and have zero throttling and you'd get 3-4 times the performance AT LEAST. Nvidia is comparing this unregulated, fully clocked, insane power version to the competitors throttled down clocked phone versions.

That is such a ridiculous statement, how do you even KNOW you'd be able to clock a Qualcomm chip? Have you even tried lol?

Titanfall is beckoning, nice whilst it lasted :D
 
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Time/date stamp, the point was if you'reprepared to wreck a gpu, you should be prepared to pocket your own wrongdoing instead of helping justify Nvidia's even higher level bios locks.

I guess that applies if you're taking the cooler off as well, ragging it and then breaking it and sticking the cooler back on? :D

No that wasn't trolling, Tommy. I leave that to the professionals ;).
 
Indeed, rumours are that there will be a Tegra K1 in the Surface 3 (released this year).

I owned a Surface 1 and bought a Surface 2 at launch, they need to kill of RT.
Make a Surface X86 atom/AMD Jaguar , with the Surface build quality etc (And better speakers, they're a pile of crap)

Windows RT/Modern UI got San Andreas on the Window Store, that's a good move (But it's not really mentioned ANYWHERE, even finding it isn't as easy as it should be in search)
 
I guess that applies if you're taking the cooler off as well, ragging it and then breaking it and sticking the cooler back on? :D

If you don't do it correctly yes, who botched a cooler job?

No that wasn't trolling, Tommy. I leave that to the professionals ;).

If you say so.....Bodie, Doyle or Cowley, take your pick.
 
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