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So you thought 6gb VRAM was overkill? Enter Sapphire Vapor-X R9-290x

Do one/two games out of...? OK.

The easiest scenario to mention(as specific game titles just cause arguments)

As I said, there are others but no point going into it, as holes will be picked much like you did there.

The discussion is 1600p, there are quite a few titles at that res that will be held back on vram, there's plenty of articles/user data out there.
 
Just don't use Skyrim at all, it's a 2 year old game and there are endless scenarios with different peoples directories, conflicting mods for it to ever be a point. I crippled my Titans to 10fps with that game. But it was because of conflicting mods.
 
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Tell that to a hardcore Skyrim gamer(15,000+ playing right now)/modder that's running highly modded who knows what their doing, resulting in probably one of if not the best looking games to date-I already quoted one above.:p

Shudder the thought it's the 7th most played title on Steam today:

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
 
Makes you wonder why 880M has 8GB of RAM, whereas their desktop counterparts put up with 3GB, I was quite shocked when I spotted that on the new laptop specs coming in March. Laptops which run at 1920x1080 or 3k, 8GB is just useless......
 
As I said, there are others but no point going into it, as holes will be picked much like you did there.

If you use fallacies then holes shall be picked. Not that I did there but OK :rolleyes:

The discussion is 1600p, there are quite a few titles at that res that will be held back on vram, there's plenty of articles/user data out there.

How many GPUs are we talking though to be able to get playable frames? At this resolution, GK104 is a bit in the middle with 2 GPUs as some titles will be playable maxed out, some won't. But you can of course exceed 2GB at this resolution it's just not that common. To be, and I quote: "held back on vram" you have to, by definition, be in a scenario whereby if you had unlimited VRAM you would have good performance. You aren't being held back by the VRAM if you would have under 30 FPS if you weren't VRAM limited (IMO below this is unplayable).

I don't think 3GB is a problem at 2560 resolutions except for Skyrim.
 
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Tell that to a hardcore Skyrim gamer(15,000+ playing right now)/modder that's running highly modded who knows what their doing, resulting in probably one of if not the best looking games to date-I already quoted one above.:p

Shudder the thought it's the 7th most played title on Steam today:

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

You're preaching to the choir
 
Makes you wonder why 880M has 8GB of RAM, whereas their desktop counterparts put up with 3GB, I was quite shocked when I spotted that on the new laptop specs coming in March. Laptops which run at 1920x1080 or 3k, 8GB is just useless......

I'm all for future proofing lappys, but 8GB will never anywhere near get used lol. Not like you can up the screen res :D
 
A constant 120fps while running games like bf4 maxxed out will take the vram to around 2.9gb as its been reported. Add some custom Anti aliasing like MSAA+SGSSAA and you can add another 1GB of ram to that.

And then you realise that the GPU will keep in ram all data it has loaded until it needs the space and come to the conclusion that reported VRAM usage doesn't equal minimum vram requirement.
 
What kind of res you would need to run to utilise that much VRAM? Will three 2560x1600 panels use that much VRAM?

I think it is just a spec they are using to make the card seem more impressive than the competition. :p
 
If you use fallacies then holes shall be picked. Not that I did there but OK :rolleyes:

It was a predictable attempt at pouring doubt over facts that cannot be dismissed:

Skyrim is the most obvious, a few titles can bust 2GB@1600p while still being playable on tri or quad setups, I simply didn't state said titles as icba with circular arguments, but look at it now.:rolleyes:

How many GPUs are we talking though to be able to get playable frames?

4, Kaps twin 690's.

At this resolution, GK104 is a bit in the middle with 2 GPUs as some titles will be playable maxed out, some won't. But you can of course exceed 2GB at this resolution it's just not that common. To be, and I quote: "held back on vram" you have to, by definition, be in a scenario whereby if you had unlimited VRAM you would have good performance. You aren't being held back by the VRAM if you would have under 30 FPS if you weren't VRAM limited (IMO below this is unplayable).

I don't think 3GB is a problem at 2560 resolutions except for Skyrim.

You couldn't(be bothered???) have read what I wrote-clearly 2GB limitations@1600p, if you did you wouldn't be disagreeing but agreeing at the same time.:)
 
Skyrim isn't a problem at all at 2560x1440p with 3GB (even with three cards). Come over and play it on mine Rusty :D I'll even wack 8X MSAA on and down sample and make you a cuppa whilst you check all my texture mods ;)
 
It was a predictable attempt at pouring doubt over facts that cannot be dismissed:

Skyrim is the most obvious, a few titles can bust 2GB@1600p while still being playable on tri or quad setups, I simply didn't state said titles as icba with circular arguments, but look at it now.:rolleyes:

Oh so you're stating that 2GB may become limiting on a tri/quad set up. Thanks Captain Obvious for your valuable input :D :rolleyes:

You couldn't(be bothered???) have read what I wrote-clearly 2GB limitations@1600p, if you did you wouldn't be disagreeing but agreeing at the same time.:)

No I just skim read your posts because most of the time they either just contain whinging and/or bickering so missed the specific point regarding tri/quad SLI - apologies. I don't disagree in this scenario.

Skyrim isn't a problem at all at 2560x1440p with 3GB (even with three cards). Come over and play it on mine Rusty :D I'll even wack 8X MSAA on and down sample and make you a cuppa whilst you check all my texture mods ;)

I've finished it all and all the DLC a while back. I modded it to the **** at 1440 and never went above 2.5GB. I could have added more but then the chances of conflict would increase and the game looked nice enough. I don't see the point of adding more AA just for the sake of it.
 
No I just skim read your posts because most of the time they either just contain whinging and/or bickering so missed the specific point regarding tri/quad SLI - apologies. I don't disagree in this scenario.

Most heartfelt apology ever. :D

In tears. So... Beautiful.
 
Oh so you're stating that 2GB may become limiting on a tri/quad set up. Thanks Captain Obvious for your valuable input :D :rolleyes:



No I just skim read your posts because most of the time they either just contain whinging and/or bickering so missed the specific point regarding tri/quad SLI - apologies. I don't disagree in this scenario.



I've finished it all and all the DLC a while back. I modded it to the **** at 1440 and never went above 2.5GB. I could have added more but then the chances of conflict would increase and the game looked nice enough. I don't see the point of adding more AA just for the sake of it.

Agree, but I set out recently to try and topple it with no luck. It's a total urban myth and a decrepit engine, the placebo is making an awful game look very nice.
 
Makes you wonder why 880M has 8GB of RAM, whereas their desktop counterparts put up with 3GB, I was quite shocked when I spotted that on the new laptop specs coming in March. Laptops which run at 1920x1080 or 3k, 8GB is just useless......

On a 192 bit memory bus as well :rolleyes:
 
Amount isn't the issue its speed of VRam and GDDR5 is Quad Pumped not Dual so it can run on a lower Bus Width and be fine within limits.
 
I like the look of the card tbh pretty nifty - would liek to see some 8gb usage cases though lol
 
When vram isn't an issue@1600p, your 4 2GB gpus are going to be faster than 2 4GB cards, that's the point I was making, there are a few titles that can stop your 4 gpus in their tracks though, where they are vram limited with plenty gpu grunt left in the tank.

The easiest scenario to mention(as specific game titles just cause arguments) is Skyrim.

2GB/4GB 680 vram limitations on modded Skyrim

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http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...-geforce-gtx-680-4-gb-jetstream.html?start=16



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There is another example of many.

Afaik, there is conflicting reports that Skyrim can only use 3.1GB vram, then it crashes(it's a known bug but Bethseda won't fix it as they don't support modding, simply allow it) but others stating they can get it to 5GB vram usage too with Titans/6GB 7970's, whether or not the community fixed the bug idk as my time has passed with Skyrim.

I am not implying in the slightest your 690's are of no use, just stating that it can be breached under certain circumstances.:)





Before the 'ridiculous' type comments flood in, just as it's Kaps choice to purchase a bat cave full of gpu's, it's an individuals choice whether they mod the **** out of a title too.:cool:

I have been talking about BF4 maxed @1600p which my GTX 690s have no trouble running.

I have only found one game my GTX 690s can not run maxed @1600p and that is RTW2, having said that you can not get playable fps on a 290X either.

I do like the skyrim argument though (if we are going to count modded games) I totally agree with it and use it myself to highlight the fact that 4gb cards are not up to running 4K with maxed settings.

The difference between a 2gb card like the GTX 690 card running 1600p and getting close to the limit is it is a 2 year old card, where as the 4gb 290s are brand new and I think it is totally misleading for AMD to market as a 4K card.
 
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