Sanctions to hit part time workers

scorza said:
Yeah you'd never get rich people like Chris Moyles breaking the law with regards to his tax arrangements.
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He's a tax evader and has been found to have broken the law. The post I responded to was talking about tax avoidance, which is legal.

arknor said:
to be fair the majority of people who order from abroad are just hoping it gets past customs without tax for the simple reason of parcelforce or royal mail charging you a £7-£14 handling fee.

most people would happily pay the import fees but usually the stupid handling fee which is nothing to do with customs is far more than the damn custom fees are
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I was thinking more of the photography forum where not paying import tax and VAT saves them up to several hundred pounds. The handling fee has nothing to do with it in those cases.
 
Dolph said:
Rent caps are an abuse of property rights, but worse than that they don't work very well as they further reduce supply as well as quality.

The key thing that drives up prices is a mismatch of supply and demand, housing benefit ironically makes this worse and drives prices up further.

We also need to tackle under occupation in social housing, people living in social housing who don't need it (like bob crow) and remove right to buy.

Lastly, we need to tackle the planning system to remove the barriers to building that makes new development a costly and restrictive process.
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How about not propping up the overinflated housing market? Let property prices fall and with that rents should reduce, alongside many peoples mortgage payments. The negative effect would be a fair few people would be in negative equity for a while, however that's the price you pay for housing speculation (if you're living in your house as a home then it's not particularly going to affect you).

House building, or specifically building outwards (on greenbelts) is not the answer, we already have too many bloated towns and not enough green space already, building over another 10% of the country is not in anyones interest (except possibly house builders...).
 
MadMossy said:
That right there is the problem, people will do what ever they can to get richer even if it is at the expense of the poor.
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Fixed for you..

It has little to do with rich or poor, more to do with human nature. Most people want to do better for themselves and don't really care about people they don't "care" about.
 
Because house ownership is beaten into Brits from birth. Go to any other decent European country and they think our approach is backward.
Your whole freaking working life is basically perusing ownership of a pile of bricks.
Supply is kept low to give owners the smug feeling of "British success" they crave.
 
Amp34 said:
How about not propping up the overinflated housing market? Let property prices fall and with that rents should reduce, alongside many peoples mortgage payments. The negative effect would be a fair few people would be in negative equity for a while, however that's the price you pay for housing speculation (if you're living in your house as a home then it's not particularly going to affect you).

House building, or specifically building outwards (on greenbelts) is not the answer, we already have too many bloated towns and not enough green space already, building over another 10% of the country is not in anyones interest (except possibly house builders...).
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86% of the UK is un built.
 
Efour said:
Because house ownership is beaten into Brits from birth. Go to any other decent European country and they think our approach is backward.
Your whole freaking working life is basically perusing ownership of a pile of bricks.
Supply is kept low to give owners the smug feeling of "British success" they crave.
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The alternative is paying 50% or more of your income so that someone *else* can own a house.

At least in this country.
 
pitchfork said:
I don't think anyone has a fundamental problem with minimum wage jobs, no one is saying "binman john should get the same as Mr. It Support"

But one of the key jobs of our government is to provide jobs and ensure employees are treated fairly - if someone is prepared to work 40 hours a week, they should at the very least be entitled to a fair wage which will allow them to pay for their bread and board without having to rely on government schemes and food banks.
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do you folks really believe that the gov is supposed to provide jobs for everyone? that may be part of the problem right there.
 
elmarko said:
Let's use London as an example.

1. Does London need people to work in shops? (Yes/No?).
2. Would anybody pay £100's a month to commute into London for a job at national minimum wage?. (Yes/No).
3. How would you solve the two above problems if the government didn't support those on low wages or pushed for a living wage?.
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easy, shops would be forced to pay higher than the national minimum wage if they wanted to remain open, which is what happens.
 
Amp34 said:
How about not propping up the overinflated housing market? Let property prices fall and with that rents should reduce, alongside many peoples mortgage payments. The negative effect would be a fair few people would be in negative equity for a while, however that's the price you pay for housing speculation (if you're living in your house as a home then it's not particularly going to affect you).
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What you risk is a shortage in the availability of FTB properties (1/2 bedroom etc) as the owners are unable to "second step" into a new property due to being in negative equity and so stay put. This could have the opposite effect of what you are saying i.e. shortage of FTB properties (the most affordable kind) results in people renting more resulting in a shortage of rental properties driving prices up.

Of course, some people are forced to move due to things like having kids so need bigger houses but a lot don't NEED to move although they would like to.


matdom said:
86% of the UK is un built.
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You'll find most of this is the highlands of Scotland where utilities and facilities don't exist so this 86% figure (if it's accurate) is misleading.
 
IronWarrior said:
Personally I think we should stop sending millions of aid to countries that will forever be in the gutter and start helping ourselves.
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Nope, sorry, I am not letting this completely out of place, xenophobic and politically ignorant statement slide by. How about taking a look at the data and finding a bigger bubble to burst. I recommend the bubble charts because even the simplest minds can notice the sizeable differences. For example, notice how small the 'job seekers' bubble is compared to the pension bubbles. The policy pushing people towards private pensions is of far more value to future fiscal policy but all we ever hear from you ignorant simpletons is the cry of hate, prejudice, fear and suffering.
 
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Amp34 said:
He's a tax evader and has been found to have broken the law. The post I responded to was talking about tax avoidance, which is legal.
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This was a tax avoidance scheme, which was all perfectly legal ... until it wasn't.
 
FoxEye said:
All the housing built down here is auctioned off, and over 80% of it is bought by BTL landlords.
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I'm not entirely sure what the answer is if that's the case in your area. In some areas you do have a big disparity in local income and access to capital versus "outsiders", i.e. people from London and the South East buying investment properties or second houses. In much the same way as people complain about Russian oligarchs buying up swathes of West London I suppose: p

You could make BTL mortgages harder to fund or you could tax rental income such that the ROI is not as attractive. The other option I can think of is some kind of an increased stamp duty on second property purchases.

You don't want to get too much in the way of the free market because property investors have a role to play in the market. There are many property investors that add significant value to the properties that they purchase.
 
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matdom said:
86% of the UK is un built.
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That's still a horrible statistic, one 6th of the country is cemented over. As mentioned when you take into account Scotland and Wales that leaves England with a much higher statistic. Do you really want to live in a concrete jungle where the only greenery is the occasional park?

scorza said:
This was a tax avoidance scheme, which was all perfectly legal ... until it wasn't.
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Fine, still doesn't negate the point that billions of pounds of potential tax is not being paid by the "poor"*. Yet people seek to gloss over them and go for the rich instead. Nothing like trying to paint those you're envious of as nasty... It also leaves you with a clean conscience when you break the law as you aren't one of the rich people playing the system (even if you are worse in reality).

*Poor being not one of the super rich or big corporations paying tax in other areas with lower tax regimes.
 
The difference there though is that one rich person could be avoiding millions in tax, but it would take hundreds or even thousands of poor people of equal the same figure.

The easier option is to go after the minority and not the majority.

Back on topic though, the divide between the have's and have not's is getting bigger and bigger each year and there will come a time when those at the bottom will get sick of those on top controlling everything.
 
MadMossy said:
The difference there though is that one rich person could be avoiding millions in tax, but it would take hundreds or even thousands of poor people of equal the same figure.

The easier option is to go after the minority and not the majority.

Back on topic though, the divide between the have's and have not's is getting bigger and bigger each year and there will come a time when those at the bottom will get sick of those on top controlling everything.
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Yet one is obeying the law and the other breaking it...

We should definitely be going for the ones obeying the law though, they are the real evil ones. It doesn't benefit "me", whereas Bob the builder doing my extension cash in hand will save me 20%...
 
Amp34 said:
Yet one is obeying the law and the other breaking it...

We should definitely be going for the ones obeying the law though, they are the real evil ones. It doesn't benefit "me", whereas Bob the builder doing my extension cash in hand will save me 20%...
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But then why should having money be allowed to let you circumvent the law no matter if its legal or not. I'm sure Bob the builder taking cash in hand will get caught out and pay the price for his wrong doings but the Rich fella will just buy his way out of it as always.
 
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