Just dropped a deposit on some M Power - Trackday Project Car

mr tommo said:
I just mean back to stock colour. Not a fan of the black, especially now you've sorted the wheels out :)
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Ah. well stock colour is chrome I believe and I prefer black, so will stick with that, not much for the chrome grill on the stock car, so will stick with black. But yes the wheels I love them, silver was the right choice, very happy with those. :)
 
Hi there

Little update, CSL mid-pipe is on, M3 backbox is fitted, CSL one had a baffle gone so it was cheaper to just buy another from Ebay, this time all fine. Cruising around with light to mid throttle everything is very quiet. 3500-4500rpm it is rather raspy still but M3's are and it seems no different than another from outside, just a little louder due to 100 cel cats and CSL mid-pipe. Full throttle it just sounds right, still can't really hear engine sound, but the noise now is very nice, race car. :D

Best thing though is huge amounts more mid-range power, which obviously comes from the H design in the mid-pipe.

Also fitted a CSL style carbon/fibre glass rear diffuser:-

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Very happy with that and the car is driving absolutely amazing, so so happy with it. If weather report is still positive for Saturday, I shall be going on another trackday at Donnington, hopefully it will be dry all day. Then I shall be off to Oulton Park in a few weeks.

Bootlid gets painted and fitted next week, when that is all done I shall try to make an effort to give the car a good cleaning and get some proper photos done. :)
 
Hi there

Tomorrow is seems I shall have a dry Donnington to myself:-
http://www.bookatrack.com/venue/view/id/5

Only 29 cars booked so far with about 14 spaces left including BAT hire.

Gonna have the track to myself and weather is showing sunny all day. CAN'T WAIT!! :D :D :D :D :D


P.S. Anyone want to drop by for a passenger ride, feel free to do so. :)
 
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Looking good Gibbo, How are you finding your Z4M Mounts? Im getting quite a lot of vagueness in the centre of the steering, here is a photo of my alignment

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Im thinking that my castor could use some of those z4m mounts?
 

Sounds good, goes well. Did a 1.24.9.

There's a lot of difference between this and my junkyard 328, my eyes are opened a bit. Surprised by how the balance is so different, similar settings yet the M3 seems quite tight where mine is quite loose, perhaps it's down to the driving style. Michelin Cup tyres are really very good.

Good afternoon out, thanks for taking me round Gibbo.
 
Clarkey said:

Sounds good, goes well. Did a 1.24.9.

There's a lot of difference between this and my junkyard 328, my eyes are opened a bit. Surprised by how the balance is so different, similar settings yet the M3 seems quite tight where mine is quite loose, perhaps it's down to the driving style. Michelin Cup tyres are really very good.

Good afternoon out, thanks for taking me round Gibbo.
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Clarkey

I am surprised how good it sounds, plenty of induction/engine noise for sure and its on the standard airbox.

Went to my mates garage, the fluid is completely boiled and toast, checked some of my videos back, I managed a 1:23 this morning, still not bad at all considering I had no confidence in the brakes, but now we know why the fluid is toast.

Feel pretty annoyed to be honest that I missed something like brake fluid, no idea what previous owner used, but that's irrelevant I should have sorted that as one of the first things.

RBF600 going in tomorrow. :)

Shall see if that feels, if still not good enough, then time to get saving for some APs, think the car has a 1:18-1:20 in it with me getting everything perfect and brakes on par with the 911.

In the 911 that was where I always gained so much, under braking, yet in the M3 people are gaining on me massively as I am braking 100 or more yards too early, still it can be sorted. :)

No problem taking you round m8, glad you enjoyed it. :D
 
Motul RBF600 is in, brakes much better but not perfect as rear bleed nipple was damaged, so mate is gonna re-bleed them. Needs a new rear wheel bearing as well so shall get that ordered along with new bleed nipples. :)
 
1:23 so a evo would still be quicker around the track ?

funny as i mentioned that ages ago and you said it wouldn't :D

Gibbo said:
I've owned both, I know which is faster. Yes an EVO feels quicker as would pretty much any turbo car and on a poor uk road or wet conditions the EVO is quicker. But for track use M3 will muller an EVO.
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some evos do 1:19 round there :)


car is looking good though.:cool:
 
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~>Dg<~ said:
1:23 so a evo would still be quicker around the track ?

funny as i mentioned that ages ago and you said it wouldn't :D



some evos do 1:19 round there :)


car is looking good though.:cool:
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The car is clearly far from perfect yet, give him time.... ;)
 
~>Dg<~ said:
1:23 so a evo would still be quicker around the track ?

funny as i mentioned that ages ago and you said it wouldn't :D



some evos do 1:19 round there :)


car is looking good though.:cool:
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Some M3's do 1:18 round there :)
I've owned an EVO and for a track car I wanted RWD.

A 1:23 with boiled fluid is not bad and I'm still running stock calipers, a BBK will probably be on the shopping list. On top of that I'm still getting used to the car as it still clearly had a lot more cornering speed in it as at no point was the car loosing traction or at the limits of grip. :)
 
what does your car weigh now ?

also that 1:19 isnt the fastest evo time i seen just a decent car some times ive seen are as low as 1:16 seen scoobies at that time as well. they were obviously silly over the top tuned time attack cars .
 
~>Dg<~ said:
what does your car weigh now ?

also that 1:19 isnt the fastest evo time i seen just a decent car some times ive seen are as low as 1:16 seen scoobies at that time as well. they were obviously silly over the top tuned time attack cars .
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Should be in the region of 1320-1330kg.

You've seen these times you keep quoting but never proven them, I've posted video's of M3's doing 1:18's and managed a 1:23 myself with boiled fluid.

My 911 has being on track with EVO 8 FQ-400 and EVO 10 FQ-360 and at the time the 911 was doing around 1:24-1:26 and I was passing both these EVO's, both mates of mine as well, one who is a professional race driver and his best time in his 10 was around 1:25ish on full slicks, my 911 was on road tyres.....

I saw an M3 once do 1:06, oh no I have not actually. ;)

Saturday what impressed me most was brand new Clio cup cars, a pair of them were there with a race team, and they absolutely destroyed everything, including the radicals and caterhams. Their cornering speed was mind boggling, they did not seem to need to use the brakes and even straight line power was impressive, so guessing the engines were tweaked from the stock 220BHP. Either way incredibly impressive bit of kit, completely stripped, slicks, sequential box, think someone commented on them doing around 1:15's. :eek:

I know the M3 has a lot more in it, I am not just not willing to take risk of throwing it at the scenery, even now with it all done I was only hovering around 105-110mph down through craners, I think in the morning I clocked 115mph briefly before the brakes completely boiled. I know the car with this setup could and can get down through their at approx. 120-125mph, but I do not feel comfortable pushing it that fast due to lack of my own talent and not willing to take risk. A lot of my lines were off as well simply as I was struggling to slow the car down, I was useless under braking and everyone knows on a race track good brakes are like having an additional 100BHP.

P.S. When I joked about an M3 doing 1:06, here is one which pretty much does exactly that:-
http://www.simpsonmotorsport.co.uk/default.asp?id=80&pid=70&name=BMW M3 CSL-GT Race Car

Its possible to make any car fast if you go to extremes. ;)
 
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~>Dg<~ said:
what does your car weigh now ?

also that 1:19 isnt the fastest evo time i seen just a decent car some times ive seen are as low as 1:16 seen scoobies at that time as well. they were obviously silly over the top tuned time attack cars .
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so now we are comparing tuned, race prepared, competing time attack cars driven by racing drivers to someones cheap[ish] weekend trackday car that is still under the process of being set up to find reliable settings to run at whilst still being road legal being driven by a trackday enthusiast...

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no.

look at donnington times for evos and scoobies some do it well under gibbos time. not time attack cars some of them do 1:15-1:16 i mentioned them as he tried to make out that the m3 would do it quicker but it is unfair to compare those times.

he has owned a evo so he knows what it would do. his car still needs to shed a little weight yet and with a bit more tweaking hell be close. then its down to practice and how far hes going to push the car.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
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look at donnington times for evos and scoobies some do it well under gibbos time. not time attack cars some of them do 1:15-1:16 i mentioned them as he tried to make out that the m3 would do it quicker but it is unfair to compare those times.

he has owned a evo so he knows what it would do. his car still needs to shed a little weight yet and with a bit more tweaking hell be close. then its down to practice and how far hes going to push the car.
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Where are these normal EVO's and Scoobs doing 1:15's then, can we have some links to video's of this?

Yes I have owned an EVO 10, my friend a professional race driver also owned the same EVO 10, put it on slicks and managed a 1:25.....

My other friend has an EVO 8 FQ-400 on sticky rubber, he has done Donnington many times and in both dry and wet conditions my 911 was faster, which at the time was lapping around 1:24-1:26, my M3 is matching my best 911 times with absolute shagged brakes, a good 2-3s to find there under braking.

I've posted video's of road going M3's and CSL's doing circa 1:18's.

You mentioned time attack cars so I posted that race M3 which is doing sub 1:10's.

My EVO on a dry Donnington would not see which way the M3 went, even with the brake fluid boiled, so yes I know what they can do. Change the conditions to wet and then yes both the 911 and EVO would absolutely devastate the M3, they are poor in wet conditions, particular my one which does not have 50/50 weight distribution, yet......

So one of my friends a professional race driver was circa 1:25 in an EVO 10 on slicks and my other mate in an EVO 8 FQ-400 on semi-slicks was around 1:26ish.

So please do post some videos of these 1:16 Scoobs and EVO's, as sounds to me like they are far from standard and will be seriously track prepped with a hell of a lot of money spent on them and running big power.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
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look at donnington times for evos and scoobies some do it well under gibbos time. not time attack cars some of them do 1:15-1:16 i mentioned them as he tried to make out that the m3 would do it quicker but it is unfair to compare those times.

he has owned a evo so he knows what it would do. his car still needs to shed a little weight yet and with a bit more tweaking hell be close. then its down to practice and how far hes going to push the car.
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Infact you talking absolute BS.

Seriously you are dillusional, here is a time attack 850BHP professional driven Subaru in qualifying:-



That's their fastest lap and its clocked at 1:15-1:16 from an 850BHP professionally driven time attack car during qualifying.

You are completely wrong, a STD or midly tuned EVO or Scoob certainly cannot do 1:16, more like 1:25 and slower as I've already proven to you.

Stop smoking your pipe, come back from button moon, back to earth, back to reality. ;)


P.S. A quick search on Lancer Register brings up that a quick time for an EVO around Donnington is around 1:22 for something running big power, stripped out and on semi slick or full slicks, as in 500-600BHP region, with most cars being around 1:25ish similar to what my mates achieved in their EVO's on semi/full slick with 350-400BHP EVO's. An EVO/Scoob needs huge power to get round Donnington in sub 1:20, full slicks and a huge amount of money. The M3 boys are doing it on stock power, semi slicks and stripping them down to 1350kg region. Those who go further or go supercharged are going sub 1:15, but that is serious money, just like tuning an EVO to 500+ is!

Even more embarrassing the new Clio Cup with just 220BHP is managing 1:17 and the ones there on Saturday had some extra power it would seem too, they were around 1:15's. :eek:
 
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